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post #11 of 32 Old 05-09-2016, 11:06 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for your response - I am going to talk to my trainer on Friday (he is out of town) and come up with a plan to help fix this issue.
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post #12 of 32 Old 05-09-2016, 11:11 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone for all the great advice. I am planning to talk to my trainer and take some lessons and have him help me a little more with my horse and the problem I am having catching him. I was able to get him to come up to me tonight if I stood outside the fence while my husband distracted the mare. Not giving up... Thanks again.
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post #13 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 07:37 AM
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Sounds like "your" trainer is the bigger problem. I would find a real trainer.
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post #14 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 07:43 AM
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The paddock is about 1/2 acre and he just continually runs from me and hides behind the other mare. I tried for over an hour the first night and 1-1/2 hours the second night. Using methods I read about but nothing works not even treats. I told the trainer about it and he got his four wheeler and chased him until he wore out (30 minutes). He was able to catch him and then just fed him and let him go. But when I go back out tonight I can't catch him.
There isn't a horse on the planet that will continue to allow itself to be caught, if all that happens is work work work.

Great plan on the trainer's part to over heat the horse by running it for 30 minutes with the 4-wheeler. NOT.

P-poor excuse for a trainer. If the horse suddenly "now comes up lame", blame it on that genius idea - depending how hot the horse got, it could possibly get laminitis.

I don't have any pearls of wisdom except to stop wanting to work the horse every single time you see the horse. Yours is a very common problem with new horse owners.

Until you set aside time with the horse to do nothing but BE with the horse, you can go thru ten horses and still have the same "can't catch" issue.

My worst horse for intimidating people and not wanting to work oftentimes comes to me, at the manure dump in the far section of his 20 acre pasture. He will politely wait for me to finish my chores and come to him. He gets cookies and a face massage.

He doesn't ask every day and I don't offer every day. I can catch that horse anytime I NEED him for something. That is because, while he always gets a treat, he never knows which time I want him for something and which time I want him for nothing--------

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post #15 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 08:21 AM
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I second walkinthewalk's post.

Harley ALWAYS comes to me. I've only had him 6 months or so, but I often take him out of the paddock while his three friends watch with envy just to brush him, hand-graze him on lush green grass, and generally hang out. I might only ride him once every 3-4 times I take him out. He knows me, and we have a routine to get him out without the others following along (they can be pushy and try to bite him). He's very smart and has learned that I can keep the others from chasing him so will look to me for direction. I don't give him treats in the paddock because that just attracts the other horses, but he usually gets a treat eventually. Sometimes only after I've groomed him. He's learned to wait. Sometimes I bring him into the barn, groom him, then hand-graze him a while. He loves that because the horses aren't on grass yet in this area.

It takes time to create that relationship, but a lot of time spent bonding on the ground really helps in my experience. Even though I pay for full board, I often go at feeding time so I can be the one to feed Harley (I NEVER feed or treat the other horses because I don't want them to come to me in the paddock). I bring him carrots every day. He's come to associate me with good things.

I'd go out in the paddock with a whip like the others have suggested. If you have to, halter the mare and get someone to hold her or take her right out of there. And then make him work until he lets you halter him. Then do something positive like taking him out to eat lush green grass.
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post #16 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 02:19 PM
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I second walkinthewalk's post.

Harley ALWAYS comes to me. I've only had him 6 months or so, but I often take him out of the paddock while his three friends watch with envy just to brush him, hand-graze him on lush green grass, and generally hang out. I might only ride him once every 3-4 times I take him out. He knows me, and we have a routine to get him out without the others following along (they can be pushy and try to bite him). He's very smart and has learned that I can keep the others from chasing him so will look to me for direction. I don't give him treats in the paddock because that just attracts the other horses, but he usually gets a treat eventually. Sometimes only after I've groomed him. He's learned to wait. Sometimes I bring him into the barn, groom him, then hand-graze him a while. He loves that because the horses aren't on grass yet in this area.

It takes time to create that relationship, but a lot of time spent bonding on the ground really helps in my experience. Even though I pay for full board, I often go at feeding time so I can be the one to feed Harley (I NEVER feed or treat the other horses because I don't want them to come to me in the paddock). I bring him carrots every day. He's come to associate me with good things.

I'd go out in the paddock with a whip like the others have suggested. If you have to, halter the mare and get someone to hold her or take her right out of there. And then make him work until he lets you halter him. Then do something positive like taking him out to eat lush green grass.
This!!!!!^^^ Most often when I take trouble out he just gets brushed, hand grazed, or we go on walks or hikes. When he was put to work last summer it got even more random, with body massages, standing tied, being taken out to eat his grain, and to work. He also knows that if the others are being really nasty to him he can come to me and I'll take him out away from them. So if I see him by himself standing at the gate I go out and let him graze on the lawn to get away from the others.
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post #17 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 03:32 PM
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Need Honest advice on the challenges I am having with my first horse. Thinking I need to sell him, but not even sure best way to go about it.
I agree with most of the other posts. If you "give up" and sell this horse, you may just possibly develop the same problems with a new horse.


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Finally after a few more small issues I sent him to training for 120 days. Ended in March and now he is mine to finish. Things were going very slowly after he finished training - not very happy with end product (thought he would be pretty broke) but still having small issues. He does perfect for trainer but just has my number.
You can train the horse, but if you don't train the OWNER, you've accomplished nothing.

You'll need to take lessons with the trainer to learn how to handle your horse.

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I told the trainer about it and he got his four wheeler and chased him until he wore out (30 minutes). He was able to catch him and then just fed him and let him go. But when I go back out tonight I can't catch him.

I want to sell him. Trainer said I won't get anything for him because he is grade and says he is really smart but lazy.
I agree you need to dump your trainer. Doesn't sound like the kind of trainer I'd want around.

And the trainer very well made the problem WORSE by chasing him with the 4-wheeler.

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post #18 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 04:39 PM
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Gee I just should have waited for you to post and not worn myself out!
Sorry. I didn't read all the replies first.... *blush* I need to start doing that... I should have read them all and kept from wearing MYSELF out...

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post #19 of 32 Old 05-10-2016, 05:02 PM
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Sorry. I didn't read all the replies first.... *blush* I need to start doing that... I should have read them all and kept from wearing MYSELF out...
Not at all, I thought you did a better job than me.
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Do you like him when you get to ride him and he isn't being a turd, Pearsj?

On the catching thing I have experience with this. What works for me is to walk towards the tricky horse I want to catch but not look directly at them. If there are other horses I'll briefly visit them and love on them. I may bring a little hay with me and give them just a small handful too. Usually what happens is the horse that I am trying to catch is jealous enough that they hang out watching and "click" I've got a lead rope on em!

Your mileage may vary.

It just sounds like he is just generally sour from boredom. When people ride him all they do is school him (just a guess) and then they leave him alone. I think if I were a horse I'd be sour too.

I think if he were mine I'd ride him more frequently and if that weren't possible I'd ride him for longer sessions. I don't want to suggest anything you or your horse aren't ready for. At a minimum I think just a little riding for the enjoyment of riding may improve things some. Just a guess.

Good luck!
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