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post #11 of 22 Old 09-19-2015, 09:23 PM
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OP how long have you had horses? Do you know how to properly train a horse? You DO know that if a horse doesn't "join up" with you, it isn't the end of the world right? I have two Percheron mares who I have never joined up with who work for me just fine and I trust.
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post #12 of 22 Old 09-19-2015, 10:16 PM
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This might be a naive questions but can someone explain "join up"? I'm not familiar with that term.

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post #13 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 07:53 AM Thread Starter
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I'm very well aware join up is not the horse accepting you as leader but rather training you to stop chasing them. That's why this worked for the mare. She has figured out how to stop me chasing her and that has benefitted me because I now no longer NEED to chase her!

I've had horses for over 15years and broke them for several now too. I'm not a 15yo perelli/roberts fanatic looking to have an everlasting bond. Horses are fickle and will fall out of routine very easily when it suits them. This mare had got into a bad habit and it's now fixed by using this method.

Have a little faith people.
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post #14 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 08:42 AM
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She is sweet! Honestly, what a gorgeous face. And yes, the small ones are often the smartest and most difficult.

I can see why kneeling down would work well with such a small horse. At your full height, you tower over her and could be a bit intimidating. I'm sure if I was her, I wouldn't want to join up with a giant that chased behind me either
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post #15 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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I know! Can't believe I didn't think of it before it makes perfect sense. Sometimes takes one little change.
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post #16 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 04:23 PM
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I think if I'd spent 2.5 years doing join up unsuccessfully I'd be justified in having little faith in in
I've often found that small ponies are perfectly happy to be caught by small children but are intimidated by tall adults - it was more likely putting yourself on the pony's level that worked in the end
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post #17 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 05:53 PM
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I'm another that doesn't really understand what join up means.
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post #18 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 06:36 PM
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Here's the explanation I put in the other current thread about join up. Please ask more questions if I've failed to explain well enough.


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In a nutshell, it's teaching the horse to come to you for release. You use the same principles of applying pressure when the horse behaves undesirably and releasing when he does what you want. In doing this, you can get the horse 'hooked on' you, where they will follow you and want to stay with you, with nothing on their head making them. This is how you build horses that will come to you out in a field, to be caught. Anyone who has trouble catching their horse, I'd recommend they teach them to 'join up'. It's not magic, it's just teaching them to associate you with release.

I call it facing up, but it's the first step in my training program. If I have something that's not halter broke, I'll run them into the roundpen and begin by teaching them to face up. Once they get hooked on you, halter breaking is easy. I want my horses to lead without me ever having to take slack out of the lead rope. I'll also teach older horses this lesson, if they missed it. I want my horses to see my presence as a good thing, not a source of pressure. I have also noticed that I have a lot less issues with colts getting scared and bucking, since I've started teaching them to face up before getting on. It's because when they get scared, instead of thinking that they need to separate themselves from me, they don't view me as a source of the pressure, rather the source of release. They want to stay with me.

Hope that helps clear it up a little.
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post #19 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 06:42 PM
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Here's the explanation I put in the other current thread about join up. Please ask more questions if I've failed to explain well enough.
Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
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post #20 of 22 Old 09-20-2015, 06:57 PM
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The Natural Horsemanship guys have made a lot of money selling this technique as some sort of new-fangled idea, but it's been around for ages. My boss learned it from the great Tom Dorrance.
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