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post #11 of 23 Old 05-23-2015, 12:48 PM
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I'm with Foxhunter.

I'd be curious to see a picture of the horse with and without the saddle.

The fact that the girth is sliding forward causing the saddle to slide forward means- doesn't fit.

All saddle fitters are not created equal.
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All saddle fitters are not created equal.
I second that... I had my horse in a poorly fitting saddle for 2 years because I trusted a saddle fitter (who is also a vet and came highly recommended) without really understanding saddle fit myself
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A pot belly on a horse can cause the girth to crawl forward, bringing the saddle with it. This causes the saddle to either jam the shoulder blades or crawl up onto them. Jamming the shoulder blades can cause scar tissue to form. Try the saddle without a pad. Good English saddles never use a padded cloth in fact when purchased new the first twenty rides should be leather against a sweaty back. If wool flocked it helps it conform to the horse's back.



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post #14 of 23 Old 05-24-2015, 07:44 PM
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Sounds like that gel pad that is lifting the back, is making the saddle slide forward.
Read this & realised I'd missed bits. Yes, lose the pad for one, and if the saddle fits, it won't need it. I don't get what 'being broken in' means with regard to saddle fit - it's not a pair of shoes & should fit the horse comfortably from day one *without extra padding*. If it doesn't, it doesn't fit.
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I bought a sticky non-slip pad yesterday and put it on the horse today between the saddle and the saddle pad (instead of between the pad and the horse's back), and it seemed to work.

Also, instead of a folded up second pad under the back of the saddle, I used a squishy gel pad, because without it, the saddle tilts up in front (needs more flocking in the back, so this is my temporary substitute.) The saddle didn't move like it did before, so at least I'm headed in the right direction.

This horse has a very round belly, so even though we start off with the cinch in the right spot, after she moves around a bit, the cinch moves to her armpits. There's just no way to stop that from happening because of the shape of her belly. And as a previous poster said, it drags the saddle with it. But today, at least it wasn't as bad.

I have the rep calling me next week to come out and take a look. I'll update when I know more! But honestly, with her belly being the way it is, I don't know how I'm going to stop this from happening, unless I use a crupper, which I don't want to use because she bucked so hard when it tightened on her before. I'm too old to get thrown around.

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I will say also that I don't have this problem with my western saddle, maybe because of that second cinch in the back that connects to the first and keeps it from going into her armpits! I wish the English saddle had a second cinch....

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Placement of the girth points may be the issue. more forward points over the forks can be helpful to avoid this confo prob. Girth can be forward without it affecting saddle placement. As for the back riser, if you got this saddle professionally fitted, yet it needs a folded(?!) pad under the rear of it... I personally would be hesitant to pay that saddle fitter for more advice! I think from memory(been a while since I've been there) the Balance International site had some guidelines for different saddle fit on different shapes such as this.

Maybe too, the girth is done up too tight, so it naturally moves to the narrowest spot.

Again, I think the issue with the crupper you had is to do with lack of preparation. The horse will get used to a crupper without bucking, if it's done well & not confrontationally. But now that her first experiences of the crupper have been frightening & reactive, unfortunately that will need to be overcome too, so I'd suggest you plan to go extra slowly, in such a way that minimises her 'practicing' getting frightened & reactive.
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Rather than a crupper under the tail, this is an alternative.





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This is not an uncommon problem. I have ridden a number of warmbloods who had this problem of a saddle slipping forward. I use a FOREGIRTH on these horses. It goes in front of the saddle and has "hooks" to hold the saddle in place.







A slightly different design, but you get the drift.




Euro Fore Girth | Dover Saddlery
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post #20 of 23 Old 05-25-2015, 01:21 PM
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Some good ideas but with all the stuff going un with this saddle to make it fit I think maybe a new saddle fitter and a different saddle might be in order
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