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post #11 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 01:08 AM
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No, that's not a positive solution. Anytime you get off and walk during a ride, unless it was a planned stopping point, the horse wins. Do not get off unless you feel like it's getting dangerous to stay on.
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post #12 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 02:02 AM
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Hi there…..question…I'm thinking that you see the dismounting as maybe a positive solution? Sorry, I'm just not completely sure…thanks.

I'm sorry, I was not clear. I meant to say that the horse does not connect your getting off, yet still making him go in the direction you wanted him to go, as you winning. I do not think he really connects those things beyond him getting upset, and you getting off. So, I guess that means it is not a postive thing. it might be necessary, however.
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post #13 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 07:12 AM
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No, the dismounting is not a good thing. It just teaches the horse how to get you off.
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post #14 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 07:25 AM
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Home represents security, food and shelter so he's become reluctant to leave. Why not set out a feed pan about where he wants to stop. Just a handful will do. Reload it for a few rides so he starts to look forward to it. Then move it farther away. His focus will switch from home to the pan. Or, what I had a boarder do when his horse refused to go very far was to bump her with his heel, not real hard but rhythmically to annoy her. He tho't his leg would fall off but the mare suddenly decided she'd had enough and walked off. You could use your heel or a crop and tap the point of her hip. It must be a steady rhythmic tapping.



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post #15 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 07:44 AM
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No. Dismounting is not a good thing. Horse is winning and will get to point you won't even get out of stable yard too. Will just stand there right where you got on.

Horse is running this show.

As for waiting him out not working, you aren't being patient enough, as it isn't a 20 minute deal, but can last hour or more.

While backing up might make one decide to move forwards, have also seen one that would back you right into a gully too.

And forget the bonding deal. Horses need a leader, not a buddy. And they do not obey because they are "bonded" either.

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post #16 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 07:51 AM
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He's becoming barn and buddy sour, and you are encouraging it by allowing him to stop and greet other horses, sniff manure, grab bites to eat, stopping on his own whim. My solution, at least right now, while it's in the early stages, is to move faster. Trot him out good and hard. Be energetic. If he stops, ask for forward again, then demand it. As others have said, use the crop like you mean it. No nagging. Don't use it unless you mean it, and then MEAN it. If he backs....let him. Make him back faster. When he wants to stop, back him some more. Then ask for forward again. It may take a while, or it may take one time. But as long as he isn't offering to rear, keep him backing. Even if you back all the way home. If that happens...Back him past home and then ask for forward. Don't stop until you've gotten satisfactory forward motion.

My leased horse has a tendency to want to sull out toward the barn when we're passing it on rides around the farm. I've been trotting her energetically past it every ride, and only stopping her once she's trotted past it with her body still between the reins. She's improved greatly, but she's another one that would take advantage of a green rider to become barn sour. I won't let it happen.

Problem is that the horse is smart enough and opportunistic enough to tell that you aren't the boss in your relationship, and he is taking advantage of you. It will become habit, and it will get worse. Get serious about it before you need a professional to sort him out.
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post #17 of 17 Old 07-15-2014, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks all, I'm digesting it all. Sounds like I'll be out there for a while with a bucket of patience, and sandwich and a crop. I'll let you know about my great success!
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