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post #121 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 03:13 PM
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Can you stop? When did I whack her? I never have when bridling her.
I think it was your suggestion that your next step for "upping the pressure" was punching her in the face as hard as you can.

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Im still not hard enough on her. Though Im a thousand times harder on her right now than I was when I got her, the punishment is obviously not severe enough.

This is why I have taken my assertiveness to another level. The next time she tries to bite me I will whack her literally as hard as I can on the muzzle.

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one of the boarders at my old barn had a good talk with me a good 2.5 months ago on how I need to step up and become more assertive. When she tries to rub on me or bite me, I need to punch her in the muzzle.

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make a fist and literally punch them in the muzzle as hard as he can.
I might have to resort to this as my next option
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Thanks, egrogan.
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post #123 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 03:31 PM
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This is what he does to his two geldings (and they test him all the time), he will make a fist and literally punch them in the muzzle as hard as he can.
Funny, a couple of pages back I copied this ^^^. Thinking maybe I might point out how well it has worked for this other boarder, since they still do it all the time.


PostScript: Obviously it hasn't worked since the horses are still testing him.


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WillowNightwind posted a picture of how to pull a horse's head around and into you and you were going to try it yesterday. What happened when you tried? My suggestion of the circle is similar, pull the horse's head around but have her do a complete, tight 360 around you. You would be standing in one spot as the pivot point with your hand on the halter that is around her neck. This is a correction to be used when she is evading the bit/bridle.

Your mare is not learning even from this trainer if the trainer puts on the bridle once and then you have a lesson or something and the bridle is removed at the end. That means the horse was bridled ONE time. Maybe you should ask the trainer to do NOTHING but bridle and unbridle the horse for your whole session. Repetition is where it's at. You can't ride if you can't bridle so maybe you and the trainer should work on that and other groundwork until this thing is solved.

What is this trainer's resume regarding breaking and training green horses?
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I really think this horse needs to go to a trainer (like a horse trainer, who takes horses in for training, not a riding instructor who gives you a lesson once a week) who has experience starting horses, for at least 30 days, preferably 60-90. I really have a strong feeling that this horse isn't even really started, based on the information you've given us about the previous owner and their experience.

None of the issues you're having are things you should be having to deal with as a green rider. At this rate, it'll be years before you ever get to actually start learning to ride. And if you think you're having issues now, with her on the ground, wait until you get on her back... it's only going to get worse.

I would seriously seriously advise you to either send the horse away to a trainer, while taking lessons on a broke horse who knows its job, so you are both more advanced when you start working together.

Or sell the horse and find one more appropriate for your skill level. As you can see, issues are just escalating and there's really nothing any of us can do to help you over the internet. I fear that your problems with your horse are only going to continue to get worse, until you both are so frustrated that you can't stand each other.

Working with horses is supposed to be fun! At your level, you should be learning to ride and handle yourself, not trying to figure out how to train a horse. That comes later, once you have your own skill set more developed.

edit;; the horse isn't going to get much out of being ridden for 15 minutes (or however long the 'trainer' was on her), once a week. A green horse needs to be worked (meaning enough to build a sweat), regularly (meaning at least 4-5 times a week). At this point, with there not being much known about the horse's previous training and the fact that she has sat for months since you got her, I would consider her unstarted. If you brought her to me for training, I would start with her at day 1, where I'd begin with an unbroke colt.
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post #126 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 04:20 PM Thread Starter
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I seems that she has not been taught to respect your space.
She does at times but when Im in her paddock, she always comes right up to me. This is why Im going to start having a bubble around me at all times. I think this is the most logical thing to do right now. Work with her, teach her that she cannot come within the bubble ever.

When I go into her paddock, she should approach me but stand a good arms length back at all times until I invite her in.

it wasnt long ago that I just taught her to stand quietly when I stop her to face me on the lunge line. She would always come into me right away. Shes not perfect, she still will try to come in but I immediately get her to back up and stand.

This is why I strongly believe c/t can really help solidify this.

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I think it was your suggestion that your next step for "upping the pressure" was punching her in the face as hard as you can.
No Im not going to punch her in the muzzle, but my point is, I still need to be harder on her when correcting her.

Realistically I should be able to stop bad habits of making the gesture to bite or rub her face on me within 2-3 corrections, as long as Im hard enough on her. Right now that is my goal, within 3 corrections.

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I really think this horse needs to go to a trainer (like a horse trainer, who takes horses in for training, not a riding instructor who gives you a lesson once a week) who has experience starting horses, for at least 30 days, preferably 60-90. I really have a strong feeling that this horse isn't even really started, based on the information you've given us about the previous owner and their experience.

None of the issues you're having are things you should be having to deal with as a green rider. At this rate, it'll be years before you ever get to actually start learning to ride. And if you think you're having issues now, with her on the ground, wait until you get on her back... it's only going to get worse.

I would seriously seriously advise you to either send the horse away to a trainer, while taking lessons on a broke horse who knows its job, so you are both more advanced when you start working together.

Or sell the horse and find one more appropriate for your skill level. As you can see, issues are just escalating and there's really nothing any of us can do to help you over the internet. I fear that your problems with your horse are only going to continue to get worse, until you both are so frustrated that you can't stand each other.

Working with horses is supposed to be fun! At your level, you should be learning to ride and handle yourself, not trying to figure out how to train a horse. That comes later, once you have your own skill set more developed.

edit;; the horse isn't going to get much out of being ridden for 15 minutes (or however long the 'trainer' was on her), once a week. A green horse needs to be worked (meaning enough to build a sweat), regularly (meaning at least 4-5 times a week). At this point, with there not being much known about the horse's previous training and the fact that she has sat for months since you got her, I would consider her unstarted. If you brought her to me for training, I would start with her at day 1, where I'd begin with an unbroke colt.

I think the hardest thing is for me to represent her in the most accurate way possible on here. Im not 100% sure if I am able to do this. It also doesnt help that I tend to exxagerate on things at times and I dont nessecarily have the best vocabulary to describe things as well as others.

I know she is definitely broke. Trainer rode her and said shes actually quite fun but she just needs to have more flexibility and balance on her right side.
Yes she had holes in her ground work from her previous owner, but the trainer found her to be quite pleasant when riding her.

Her groundwork is obviously not perfect and still has some things that could be improved but like mentioned to me by other people, you cant get groundwork perfect nor expect it to be or i would be doing groundwork for years. Eventually you do have to get riding when you feel confident enough in them.

Remember that extensive list of excersizes that I posted awhile back that my previous trainer got me to do?

The past 2 trainers including the new one have all said that her groundwork is good enough to be ridden right now and she should be ridden right now. Her weakness is her right side and Ive been working on that by leading her on her right, doing stuff on her right so she is much more comfortable being worked on that side. Shes had enough groundwork over the past 3.5 months.
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WillowNightwind posted a picture of how to pull a horse's head around and into you and you were going to try it yesterday. What happened when you tried? My suggestion of the circle is similar, pull the horse's head around but have her do a complete, tight 360 around you. You would be standing in one spot as the pivot point with your hand on the halter that is around her neck. This is a correction to be used when she is evading the bit/bridle.

Your mare is not learning even from this trainer if the trainer puts on the bridle once and then you have a lesson or something and the bridle is removed at the end. That means the horse was bridled ONE time. Maybe you should ask the trainer to do NOTHING but bridle and unbridle the horse for your whole session. Repetition is where it's at. You can't ride if you can't bridle so maybe you and the trainer should work on that and other groundwork until this thing is solved.

What is this trainer's resume regarding breaking and training green horses?
After our very first lesson, she said that she wanted me to bridle her multiple times a day, do it over and over...10-15 times a day if needed. I would if it didnt take so long to get the bit in her mouth.

When I curled her head towards me, towards her shoulder, she just kept moving her hind away from me so I couldnt stand next to her.
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I am sorry but I feel as if I am banging my head on a brick wall.

If it takes three corrections to get results then you are nagging.

You correct once and this bed not be with a whip, slap or punch it can be with a shake of the halter rope, a word or a pike with the finger.

Two things count more than anything, the first is timing and the second the belief that you are in charge. very, very rarely does a novice have the instinct to get this correct.

I agree with enh about getting th horse trained for you. Mares are often far less forgiving than geldings or even some stallions.
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post #130 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 05:12 PM
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I'm with enh817. If you are going to keep this horse, invest in sending her to a GOOD trainer and invest in lessons for yourself. In my area, lessons include saddling and bridling and most students are expected to catch and tack up their lesson horse prior to instruction. This summer, for 4 months, I invested in lessons 3X a week on my mare (I am a bit more of a seasoned rider than you and my mare is very laid back). It was the best money I ever spent.

I first leaned to ride bass ackwards as well, unbroke first horses, no riding lessons, nothing but love of horses and stupidity to guide me so it took me more than 10 years to really learn to ride and handle horses adequately. In fact, I am still learning. I was forced to do it that way, living in rural area with NO training barns or instructions, learning from friends and the occasional clinic. If I had been able to take real lessons, I would have done that and would have enjoyed my horses so much more (they would have enjoyed me better as well, no doubt). I am so lucky I was never injured because of my lack of experience. Many of my horses that were "short timers" went down the road because of my lack of knowledge, not because they were bad.

P.S. Horseman's vocabulary is different so you need to spend time learning what things mean and you will be able to more fully understand the advice given.
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