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post #81 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 01:29 AM
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Well hell, what a night. She was being so fussy tonight! It took me almost an hour to get the bit in her mouth i was just about to scream!

I couldnt even get it on the normal way by holding the side of her face. I was getting frustrated. She kept using her muzzle to push the bridle away and also me, and i had to keep backing her up every single time. I had to do it so many times, i even lunged her a couple times for a couple circles and also even moved her hind aggressively by literally running towards her hind in circles while swinging the end of the lead literally as fast as i could. There was a few times where i got her to make 20 circles by moving her hind.

She was being so rude.

I cant do this again without my trainer watching, it was a nightmare.

Eventually when i would get by her side to out my right arm under her chin and right hand in her right cheek, she would swing her hind away from me so i couldnt get next to her.

I kept telling her to stand, stand... 10,000 times.

I kept at it. I went back and tried again after each time backing her, moving her hind etc


I had her in the arena the whole time, not tied, just lead in my hand. But there was a time where i got so frustrated i even tried tying her and she literally tried to rip the the lead off the post. So after one try i untied her and went back to not tying her.

I cannot believe what i just went through. I hope i didnt do more damage between us than good. She was probably upset im sure and will she remember this and hold this against me for now on?
I believe the bolded part has been explained already. Horses don't think like that they live in the moment and then move on.

I really feel that this horse doesn't have as much training as you think she does. Even horses who have a persons number give in once they realize you're not going away and they have no other choice.
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post #82 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 06:47 AM
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See, it's funny. My mare takes the bit wonderfully... but try to deworm her without tricking her? Ha, good luck with that. We have to show her a bowl of yummy grain, let her get happy over it, then put the dewormer tube in the corner, get it all in and quickly- with her head up- let her get have the grain to swallow the dewormer, or out it comes, usually all over us.

Nor does she like me messing with her mouth-face area. The vet even commented on it when she went for her 1st dental. I play with her lips and teeth a bit more now, but she is sorta no nonsense it seems like- if she doesn't get anything out of having me touch and fiddle with her face without a bit or purpose, she doesn't really want any part of it.

I am sure with time and working with her, we will have her be different. But I mostly just mentioned her way of being to show that biting well and mouth handling don't always correlate. :)
Yes, I know what you're saying. Every horse is an individual. One has to be a virtual detective at times to sort out what an issue is. Sometimes it's as simple as it has the owners number , and other times it's a subtle medical issue.
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Well hell, what a night. She was being so fussy tonight! It took me almost an hour to get the bit in her mouth i was just about to scream!A Mother of Four Who Says: "I Don't Want to Be a Mom"

She was being so rude.

I cant do this again without my trainer watching, it was a nightmare.

I kept telling her to stand, stand... 10,000 times.
What does this tell me? Chances are very good that the issues you are having has more to do with YOU and little to nothing to do with the horse. Except possibly some holes in the horse's training. But you're not going to plug those holes if you can't get yourself in check.

You MUST keep your emotions in check. If you can't stay calm, you need to walk away and take a breather. Never mind about the concept of "the horse winning", it's a matter of YOU being in a frame of mind to be able to handle the horse safely.
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I am not sure who I have the most sympathy for, you for wanting to learn and having a relatively green horse that is probably taking advantage of your very limited experience or the horse that is obviously not getting what is going on and has someone who cannot control their frustration high passes to the horse faster than you realise.

You ask for problems by not thinking ahead.

You have problems getting the mare to accept the bit so, instead of trying on a confined area you choose to try in the indoor where there are more opportunities of the horse getting away from you.

When she was swinging her quarters away from you why didn't you stand her parallel to the side of the arena so she couldn't swing away from you?

You are obviously someone who is intelligent, extremely keen to learn which is great. What you are lacking is the ability to think logically or ahead.

A green horse is going to find it very hard to be good with a novice fumbling around not knowing what they are doing.

The well versed saying "Green plus green equals black and blue." all to often rings true. I hope this is not the case with you.

I am not saying this to be mean or nasty, just speaking from personal experience with people similar to you.

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post #85 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 08:18 AM
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PLEASE..for the sake of your adorable horse.....find a schoolmaster and get some lessons. You will get the FEEL for doing these things, and then it will be easy.

Letting her walk on you (mentally) is not doing anything for your horse.....
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post #86 of 134 Old 10-01-2015, 10:21 AM
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I got knots in my stomach reading about last night's bridling episode.

Despite all the advice you receive to never let the horse 'win'*, there is a time to stop the session.
That time is when your frustration reaches a certain threshold.
I feel you are crossing that threshold on a regular basis.

* The term 'win' in itself is an inference that the situation is a battle.
Which it should never be.

My father used to tell me that you can win every battle, but still loose the war.


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What does this tell me? Chances are very good that the issues you are having has more to do with YOU and little to nothing to do with the horse. Except possibly some holes in the horse's training. But you're not going to plug those holes if you can't get yourself in check.

You MUST keep your emotions in check. If you can't stay calm, you need to walk away and take a breather. Never mind about the concept of "the horse winning", it's a matter of YOU being in a frame of mind to be able to handle the horse safely.
Well I had my trainer watch me put on her bridle last time and she said that Im doing it right. She just said I need to have very little slack in the lead when tying her. SHe said my positioning, my steps are correct.

I was calm at first but if a horse is constantly pushing the bridle away from you or trying to get in your space, you think Im going to stand there and just continue saying "can you stand, pretty please?" in a soft gentle voice? I wasnt yelling, I was stern and firm.

When I backed her up and moved her feet when she would push into me, do you think Im going to do it gently with no pressure?

The whole point of it was to make her move her feet aggresively.
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I am not sure who I have the most sympathy for, you for wanting to learn and having a relatively green horse that is probably taking advantage of your very limited experience or the horse that is obviously not getting what is going on and has someone who cannot control their frustration high passes to the horse faster than you realise.

You ask for problems by not thinking ahead.

You have problems getting the mare to accept the bit so, instead of trying on a confined area you choose to try in the indoor where there are more opportunities of the horse getting away from you.

When she was swinging her quarters away from you why didn't you stand her parallel to the side of the arena so she couldn't swing away from you?

You are obviously someone who is intelligent, extremely keen to learn which is great. What you are lacking is the ability to think logically or ahead.

A green horse is going to find it very hard to be good with a novice fumbling around not knowing what they are doing.

The well versed saying "Green plus green equals black and blue." all to often rings true. I hope this is not the case with you.

I am not saying this to be mean or nasty, just speaking from personal experience with people similar to you.
What do you think I did the first time? I tried bridling her when tied in the barn isle.

When she was swinging her hind away from me, I DID bring her up to the side of the arena and have her stand parrelel to it. She would just try to go forward. It wasnt working.
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I am getting the picture of "operator error" here. You mentioned that the BO is very knowledgeable. Has he seen you try to bridle your mare?

As I posted earlier, my similar problem was created by me. Trying to "pull" the bit into the mouth too fast, banging the teeth, forcing things. I had the one episode when I could not get the bridle on. I honestly spent 3 hours trying, with my mare putting her head up out of reach, pawing and backing up to get away. I had no clue what to do but had in my head I HAD to get that bridle on. I ended up having to be satisfied when my mare stopped putting her head out of reach when I held the bridle, up to her face, but I stopped trying to get her to take the bit, only stand with me holding the bridle in position.

I did not sleep that night at all. I was sure I had ruined my relationship with my mare and I would NEVER get the bridle on again. I had a lesson scheduled for the next day. I can't tell you how upset I was because I KNEW it was I who had done something wrong and thought my mare was going to get worse and worse.

The next day, my trainer, who is short like me (5' tall), calmly took off my mare's halter, but buckled it around her neck to use as a hand hold. She held up the bridle. My mare objected. My trainer used the halter to pull her in a circle around her. Then tried again.

This went on for about 15 minutes, then my mare accepted the bit. We let her rest for about 5 minutes. Then the bridle was removed, we rested, then my trainer repeated the bridling. This time it took only 3 attempts and circles before my mare accepted the bridle. We rested, then removed the bridle and tried again. This time, only one circle.

Then it was my turn. My mare tried to evade, but I used the circle method, only one turn around. I was able to bridle. The next attempt, no circle necessary and we quit for the day, no ride. The next day I was able to bridle without my trainer present.

I also realized that I had been letting the bit drop when unbridling and it was banging her teeth at that point as well. Now I hold the bridle after it comes back over her ears and wait for her to open her mouth so I can guide the bit out and not have it touch her teeth.

I am not a beginner. I have had 22 horses in my lifetime and never ever had this problem before. I had been away from horses for 20 years until 3 years ago and have been surprised at how much I forgot, how much I never knew and how lucky I have been.

I know there is more than one way to solve this problem and this is how I solved it for me. This happened 3 months ago, and every once in a while my mare will still test me on the bridle. Just one circle is enough of a reminder.

I am wondering if putting your arm over her neck is an issue. I am too short to do it that way (yeah, I know, the head should be lowered) but I wonder if your mare feels trapped or there is too much downward pressure that is not getting relieved and she is objecting to that as well?

Someone needs to be watching you and helping you. There is no substitute for hands on help. Good Luck!

P.S. I just read what you posted. I think someone other than your trainer needs to watch you and you need some other ideas because backing her up isn't working.
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I got knots in my stomach reading about last night's bridling episode.

Despite all the advice you receive to never let the horse 'win'*, there is a time to stop the session.
That time is when your frustration reaches a certain threshold.
I feel you are crossing that threshold on a regular basis.

* The term 'win' in itself is an inference that the situation is a battle.
Which it should never be.

My father used to tell me that you can win every battle, but still loose the war.
Well either way I had to get the bit in her mouth and the bridle on. Last time I wasnt able to get it on period. I was told by everyone that, that was the worst thing I could have done, to let her have her way cause I know she remember it for next time knowing she was successful in being able to get what she wanted.

So if last night, say I gave up again, I would have been told that I did the wrong thing again and that I should have stuck to it. Which is it? I think it was better that I DID get the bit in her mouth and the bridle on (regardless of it taking almost an hour and endless amounts of tries and correcting her, backing her, moving her hind, lunging her etc), than if say I went at it for an hour then gave up. I went in there with one goal in mind, to get her bit and bridle on. If it was going to take 2 hours, then I will spend the 2 hours to get it in. I wasnt going to let her have her way again.

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