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post #11 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 05:51 PM
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Cheyenne is unregistered. It doesn't make her more or less of a mare. She's still the silly, willing, funny, gorgeous, and loving mare that I've loved for about 12 years now. She does not need a piece of paper showing her sire, dam, and grandsire etc etc for me to love her, and for her to be safe and sound.

If you're at breed shows, then yes, a registered horse will be needed. But, if you're buying for pleasure (trail and pasture) riding, trails, and just having fun with your granddaughter, I say of you find an unregistered horse, have him/her aged by a vet, and go for it!

I can not stand when people dog out grade horses. That's like dogging me out because I'm not the daughter of Faith Hill. Just really gets me, because the only 2 registered horses I've ever had, we ended up selling. The grades, however, are still here. Now, registration is really neat, and certain bloodlined horses are good at certain things, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy an unregistered horse.
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post #12 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 06:07 PM
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I often see lineage posted for grade horses but without evidence as proved by registry, anyone could be their mom and pop. The horse may have some good lineage or it could be a seller's marketing ploy.

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post #13 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 06:22 PM
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I've had numerous "grade" horses and two registered. The registered ones were worthless to me and I sold them. I got a fair amount of money for them because they were pretty and conformationally impeccable. They were both knotheads with what I personally consider "too much breeding" issues.

I trail ride for hours in the mountains and desert, I've entered extreme trail courses and my daughter has been in gymkhanas and FFA. All with a grade quarter types.

Not saying that registered horses aren't good. I've seen tons of them that are wonderful. But, depending on what you want to do are you really up for spending more money on an animal just because it comes with a piece of paper?

Get a vet check on the horse you pick. It's worth whatever your vet will charge you to get a pretty close estimate of age, and soundness. Most of all, have fun! Let us know what you get and post pictures of the new addition and your granddaughter!
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post #14 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 08:01 PM
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I agree with the consensus of registered horses. In addition to the pre purchase exam by a vet, see if you can get your trainer to help you find that horse. A lot of "dead broke" horses aren't. Another option is someone else you know that knows a lot about horses. I still take friends with me to see things I don't see.
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post #15 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 08:51 PM
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DH and I own 2 unregistered horses. One is my retired eventer and the other is his trail buddy. They are wonderful. I would have an unregistered horse tested for HYPP and HERDA since you don't know the bloodlines.

Other than that, the horse doesn't know he's not registered, nor does he care.
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post #16 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 09:48 PM
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There are some advantages to registered horses. You know their age. You can compete in registry-specific shows. And if you're familiar with bloodlines for that breed, you might have an idea of what personality to expect from the horse before you go look at him. Bloodlines can also give you a heads up on the potential to carry some hereditary diseases, such as HYPP.

But ultimately the papers don't really matter for most riders. If you find a horse with the right temperament and training and it passes its pre-purchase exam, then it really doesn't matter if it has papers or not in most cases. The exceptions would be those who want to breed or compete on the breed circuit.
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post #17 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 10:18 PM
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there are 'grade'horses that have the lineage, and for some reason the papers never got done.
one example.. the mare died before the dna hairs got pulled. the breeder did not file the stallion reports, etc etc
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post #18 of 24 Old 12-12-2014, 11:07 PM
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My experience has been that having registration papers just drives up the cost of the horse. A very temperamental, poor quality registered horse will command a higher price than a very nice dispositioned, good quality non-registered horse just because it has "papers".

As an example, I bought a horse 8 months ago for a lot less XXXX dollars than more XXXX dollars because his "papers" were destroyed by the owner in a divorce dispute. Same horse, but since he had no papers, a whole lot cheaper.

To be honest, I could care less if he is/was registered at all. And for all I know, he never was registered. To me, he's a good horse, well mannered, very collected and flat broke; and my daughter loves him. In the end, that's all that matters.

Besides, he's a gelding so papers really don't mean squat unless by some miracle, my daughter and he were to rise to a level of competition in which papers matter. If that ever happens, I'll deal with it when the time comes.
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Registration is no guarantee of a good horse, a healthy horse, or a well bred horse. That being said, it is a little more likely that you will be buying a good build with a registered horse bc some breed combinations really produce a freaky looking horse.
Registration is tricky, though. When I was very young, there were few "color" breeds registrations, like "paint." The only one that was a true breed, IMHO, was Appalousa bc the Nez Perce Indian tribe developed their own breed of spotted horses and to them, their coloring and mottoled skin had spiritual signifigance and their horses were used for transport and war, so they had a good build, too.
If you are buying for breed, go to the I'Net and study their best specimins. Then, buy for health, build and temperament. For you, since you are new, I would suggest that you look for a show horse that somebody is selling bc:
too short
too slow
can't jump high enough
wrong color
Those kinds of reasons. A show horse has been handled a LOT, trailered everywhere, behaves for the Vet, behaves for the farrier, and, more importantly, behaves for the rider, YOU. One of my best horses was a 13'2hh pony with a big barrel, comfortable for any adult. He had been a trail rig horse that was running home. I fixed that and everybody loved to ride him. (He even made his own movie.)
Right now there are more horses than people willing to keep them. Most of them are not finished, spooky, have hurt the owner, hence the reason for the sale--NOBODY sells their best horse--and really need a good trainer to bring them along for another year or TWO YEARS before they would be anywhere NEAR ready for a green rider, which is what you are. You need a been there, done that middle aged horse that isn't broken down. Get a Vet check when you buy so you don't buy damaged, and you should have a good horse owning experience. =D

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post #20 of 24 Old 12-13-2014, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by palogal View Post
DH and I own 2 unregistered horses. One is my retired eventer and the other is his trail buddy. They are wonderful. I would have an unregistered horse tested for HYPP and HERDA since you don't know the bloodlines.

Other than that, the horse doesn't know he's not registered, nor does he care.
HYPP I agree should be checked if there is any reason to think the horse could be Impressive breeding.

PSSM is another matter and might be worth checking for. But, generally if a person buys an older, well trained horse, any inheritable problems would have already shown up. They pretty much are what they are.

HERDA is of no consequence at all in a grade horse. Unlike HYPP, any horse you buy older than a yearling cannot have 2 copies of the recessive gene. Having one copy of the HERDA gene does not affect the horse at all unless you breed it to another HERDA carrier. Only then do you have a 1 in 4 chance of actually 'seeing' that a horse has the genetic disorder.

My best recommendation is to buy a horse, registered or grade, that is really older, slower and maybe not as pretty as the horse you would really like. It is a lot better to be under-mounted and want to gradually work up to a fancier horse than to be over-mounted and get over-whelmed by having 'too much horse'. You gain a lot more confidence when you are under-mounted on a horse that is not 'reactive' in nature.
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