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post #21 of 41 Old 07-28-2015, 07:03 PM Thread Starter
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If a Thoroughbred appears in your horse’s pedigree, that Thoroughbred’s foaling date does not matter. If he shows up as a sire or dam of a registered American Quarter Horse born in 1941 or later, that Thoroughbred will bring down that horse’s Foundation percentage.
There's something wrong with my brain. I read that, and it makes perfect sense, until I try to apply it and then I'm like ...what was that?

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There's math involved. That's my problem.

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That's why I broke down and paid for it... Oh... I have my paper... Let me see if I can make heads or tail of it. brb
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I'm going to bed now (it's 1 in the morning), but as soon as I get up I'm checking this thread! Thanks to all who have (and will) reply!
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So I have no idea what I'm looking at. Three bars shows 3 times in the analysis sheet. Once he is listed at .781% and twice at .098% so I don't know how they do it. They list 23 TBs. Most are from the years 1915 to 1937. There is one from 45 (Alumnus) and then Three Bars from 40. (He shows 3 times). King Plaudit shows twice. Added Expense is from 1951. This is the NFQHA registration, he shows a 93.262% on that one. His FQHA papers show him at 95.12% so I have no idea how they do it.

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it is much less complicated to get a horse already registered as Foundation Quarter horse than it is to calculate it. A lot of the old time stallions have TB in them , so each time that horse appears it changes the % .
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I'm going to add this horse too to my original question. I'd love to know if this horse would be considered from a good lineage and also whether she's a Foundation QH. (I'll check out that site already mentioned, but if someone knows just from seeing the names, I'd love to hear about it!)
Holy moley, that one took a lot more legwork! But you are still WAY good in the foundation department.

Worst case Scenario is 8.35% total TB blood, but 5.23% of that is Three Bars blood, so the foundation percentage could be as high as 96.88% foundation, 91.65% if Three Bars is included.

Either way the breeding on these horses is excellent. So many champions!

However, set ALL that aside when you go to look at these horses, judge them FIRST on their minds...THEN on their conformation. Because champions don't mean squat of you have a crooked-legged idiot on your hands, lol!

P.S., it really is not that complicated once you have a printout in front of you and an awesome resource like allbreedpedigree. Like farmpony said, it is simply a matter of tracing back to the first TB, or pre-1940 QH. There are SO many unknowns before certain dates that it is impossible to know 100%.
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it is much less complicated to get a horse already registered as Foundation Quarter horse than it is to calculate it. A lot of the old time stallions have TB in them , so each time that horse appears it changes the % .
Mine was a weanling when I registered him. It was $50 I think for membership and registration for NFQHA and it's only $17.98 to have it done through FQHA.

I did it because I knew mine would qualify and because "I can"... here hee.... I also registered him with the Buckskin association because "I can".... He's obviously also AQHA. I went a little crazy...

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I went through the exercise of calculating my horse's dam's foundation percentage (mine is half QH) a while back when I was bored at work It was very time consuming (the 10th generation back has 512 names in it! ), but also very interesting to see what other horses showed up in the older generations!

I always thought it was funny that everything but TB is considered "foundation." There are several TBs that were very influential in the development of the breed, and any of the unregistered horses allowed into the registry in the early days could easily have been unregistered purebred thoroughbreds anyway.

I've had foundation QHs described to me as the wide-chested, heavily muscled, "bulldog" type conformation, and while I appreciate the desire to preserve the conformation type originally envisioned by the AQHA registry (if this is indeed what they envisioned), a percentage of foundation bloodlines alone doesn't necessarily mean the resulting horse has any of those desired traits.

So, a bit silly, but still fun to know!
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I did it because I knew mine would qualify and because "I can"... here hee.... I also registered him with the Buckskin association because "I can".... He's obviously also AQHA. I went a little crazy...
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I went through the exercise of calculating my horse's dam's foundation percentage (mine is half QH) a while back when I was bored at work It was very time consuming (the 10th generation back has 512 names in it! ), but also very interesting to see what other horses showed up in the older generations!

I always thought it was funny that everything but TB is considered "foundation." There are several TBs that were very influential in the development of the breed, and any of the unregistered horses allowed into the registry in the early days could easily have been unregistered purebred thoroughbreds anyway.

I've had foundation QHs described to me as the wide-chested, heavily muscled, "bulldog" type conformation, and while I appreciate the desire to preserve the conformation type originally envisioned by the AQHA registry (if this is indeed what they envisioned), a percentage of foundation bloodlines alone doesn't necessarily mean the resulting horse has any of those desired traits.

So, a bit silly, but still fun to know!
Actually, one "paint" showed up waaaaayyyy back in ecaseys first horse, but it was well within the right time frame and would have amounted to, like, .0125% or something crazy.

And, yes, "type." In 2001 I bought a mare in foal who was 14.2hh, solid as a rock and wide as a house. She calculated to 93% foundation. Her colt, who calculated to 96% foundation was 16hh at the butt as a two-year old and string-tested to be 16.2hh at maturity. His full brother was 17hh finished out. He looked like a flipping thoroughbred! I was going to show him at foundation shows but figured I would get laughed out of the ring.
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To my way of thinking any stallion or mare that was originally listed with the American Quarter Horse registry would be considered foundation horses. Everything else is just off-spring. My twh is Heritage, same thing as far as I'm concerned. Goes back to founding sires and mares. Seems to be much ado about nothing.



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