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post #1 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 10:06 PM Thread Starter
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Can you put leased horses into training?

Here's our story...we lease two horses at a barn close to our house, and we take lessons at a training/show barn about 30 minutes away.

One of the geldings my son is interested in using as a hunter/jumper at some point in the future. However, Casper is not fully trained for such riding. He hasn't ever jumped, and I'm not sure my son is the one to teach him (I haven't ever jumped so clearly not me either). Would it be strange if I asked the BO if we could send him off for training for a few months at the barn we take lessons at? At our expense, of course. That way, my son could take lessons on him while he's in training. Training actually includes 2 lessons a week. I'm still feeling out the politics of different barns. Maybe this would be odd. I thought I'd get your opinions before asking the BO.
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post #2 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 10:14 PM
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ask the owner. it's up to her, ultimately.
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post #3 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 10:17 PM
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I don't see a problem with asking.

Good luck with him! =)
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post #4 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 11:28 PM
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It's definately a possibility.

Leases are different. Some are short term for periods in the owners life where a horse is not practical, some last 10+ years.

Training is going to be beneficial for the owner - but costly for you. Are you sure it's not seeing if you can lease a more suitable horse or even consider buying the one you have?
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post #5 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 11:29 PM
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If I were leasing out a horse and someone offered to pay for further training for him I wouldn't see that as a bad thing at all.

They may want to go and see a lesson or meet the trainer to make sure nothing terrible is happening, but it never hurts to ask!
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post #6 of 23 Old 03-05-2016, 11:51 PM
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I agree with the others. To me it sounds like you're offering to pay for something that will make her horse more valuable once the lease is up, so I can't imagine why she wouldn't want to do it. You should ask.
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post #7 of 23 Old 03-06-2016, 12:03 AM
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If you have a full lease I would guess the owner would be perfectly happy for you to foot the bill for more training for her horse. (If it's a partial lease and/or the horse is being used for lessons then they may not be willing to let you move him to another barn)

However, I would very carefully consider whether it makes sense for you to do so. Training is not cheap, and leases can end with short notice for a variety of reasons. You may also find that the horse has no talent or interest in jumping or can not hold up to the increased physical demands. A horse green to jumping may also not be a good match for a rider who is also less experienced with jumping (not sure if that's the case with your son or not) I'd personally be looking for a different horse to lease who already has jumping training.
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All great things to consider, thanks all. First off, no worries about the lease ending suddenly unless I really upset the BO. The horse was originally for sale and she agreed to lease him, and I said if you ever get to the point that you must sell him, let me know and I'll make a decision. She really has no advantage to selling him because I'm paying full board/all expenses right now AND she has ownership of the horse. Selling would change nothing except she'd get a lump sum and no longer have ownership. I guess for ME the advantage to buying is that my training would be an investment and the horse would be worth more after. However, I really doubt I would get my training $ back on a resale.

He is just such a nice all-around horse. Very kind, smart, not too lazy and not too energetic, etc. I really like him. I feel like he can do it all--he's done some trails, he's done some rodeo, we are currently riding hunt seat and he's fine, etc. He is a jack of all trades but a master of none. I think training would go pretty fast for him as he's already really good with leads, leg yielding, etc. I like the idea of a horse that can do a lot of things, as my son is only 11 and who knows what his future will be. Right now, he enjoys jumping, but he also enjoys just riding around the pasture and I think he'll also enjoy fun shows/county fairs/etc.

I posted about him once here if you want to see pics: Casper

Another option: a cute hunter/jumper is for sale at our lesson barn. The drawbacks of this horse is we'd have to give up our current two horses to afford the board on this one, as there is no room at our current barn and board is a lot more at our lesson barn. Also, this horse is more of a hunter/jumper specifically and not trained to do anything else (not that he can't learn). He's a really nice horse though. So incredibly gentle. Yesterday the two instructors were goofing around and one threw a plastic mounting block at the other, and Gatsby just stood there. So, I think he'd be a good beginner H/J and our trainer said he has loads of jumping talent. But, I hate to lock in to a H/J when, like I said, who knows what the future will be. Plus, our lesson barn is a QH barn and they do the QH shows...if my son wants to be on their show team, this horse could not do it. If I am going to spend the $ on a horse at this barn, I feel like I should probably go the QH route. Anyhow, if you're still reading here's a video of the TB: Gatsby

Thanks again for all of the tips. I will mull all of this over.
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Why? It's not your horse and he's never jumped. You should be looking for a seasoned hunter to teach your son how to jump. This horse will slow his learning, possibly teach him some bad habits and cost you some serious money that you'll have to walk away from. Would you remodel the kitchen in a house you rented?
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This is, indeed, a conundrum. Investing in the training of a horse you don't own for the sake of your son who may or may not continue to be interested in jumping is unusual, for sure. On the other hand, you have a great arrangement with these horses that you are leasing for almost nothing... and if the training goes really well and you feel Casper is a perfect fit, you could always buy him outright. So depending on what kind of investment you're talking about as far as the training goes, if I were in your shoes I might discuss it with the BO. You may also want to ask the trainer you'd be using to come to Casper's barn to assess him for jumping ability. No point in putting in in training if jumping is not going to be his thing.

Where we used to board, the BO bought a horse for a client who wanted a jumper. This was a large QH type who had never jumped. The BO was confident he would learn quickly since he had the right body type. WRONG. It was a disaster. This horse avoided jumps, refused, took off in the middle of a lesson to run to the other horses at the end of the paddock. 6500$ for a jumper that couldn't jump. Some horses take to it easily, while others just don't seem to like it.

Then again, I insisted on buying a horse that could jump and would do so willingly for my daughter. But she's not currently jumping him (we hope she will eventually, but he's a little forward for her right now). With a kid that age, it seems like no matter what you do, they'll find a way to mess up your plans!

I guess my point is that if you can do this within your financial means and if it means your son being able to ride Casper more, then maybe it's worth it. Casper seems like an all-around great horse so he could undoubtedly go in all kinds of directions with him. The jumping training may or may not lead to a show jumping future for your son and Casper, but if they are working together, it will inevitably cement the bond between then and make them a better team regardless of the direction your son chooses.
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