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post #11 of 23 Old 03-06-2016, 10:02 AM Thread Starter
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That is a good point, AA. Just because he CAN jump doesn't mean he'll want to. Yes, we are leasing him for close to nothing, so that is why I am willing to put more $ in to this horse. I'm noticing it's hard to find a horse that doesn't buck, won't take off, and is just kind, while at the same time not being a ploddy boring horse. Casper is a nice mix.

Maybe Casper just needs to be my horse and Evan needs some time to figure out what he wants to do. Maybe I need to stop overanalyzing everything and just enjoy my horses.
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Maybe Casper just needs to be my horse and Evan needs some time to figure out what he wants to do. Maybe I need to stop overanalyzing everything and just enjoy my horses.
That's probably a good idea ;) As moms, we try so hard to set up our kids for success that maybe, just maybe, we get a little ahead of ourselves (talking from personal experience here, obviously!).

But the additional training can't hurt Casper. I don't plan on doing any real jumping myself, but I may get the coach to show me how just in case we are on a trail and Harley decides to jump over a log rather than step over it. I'd rather not go over his head when he lands!
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That's probably a good idea ;) As moms, we try so hard to set up our kids for success that maybe, just maybe, we get a little ahead of ourselves (talking from personal experience here, obviously!).

But the additional training can't hurt Casper. I don't plan on doing any real jumping myself, but I may get the coach to show me how just in case we are on a trail and Harley decides to jump over a log rather than step over it. I'd rather not go over his head when he lands!
Good idea!

If we had our own land, I'd buy Casper in a second. I just feel nervous buying a horse when we have to board. What if our barn closes and I can't find something else? Scary.
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Why? It's not your horse and he's never jumped. You should be looking for a seasoned hunter to teach your son how to jump. This horse will slow his learning, possibly teach him some bad habits and cost you some serious money that you'll have to walk away from. Would you remodel the kitchen in a house you rented?
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Point well made and something to consider. Anything is possible in a lease situation as long as both parties agree. However one of the best features of leasing is having a horse that is suitable for the rider's level now and being able to move on to other horses more easily. A horse can be taught the basics of jumping in a short time but will still be considered green for some time. Novice rider trying to learn on a green horse ??? If your son wants to show eventually a schoolmaster would be the best to start with. My show progression went from horsemanship on the flat, horsemanship over fences (both on experienced horses) to hunter, and finally jumper.
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Another option: a cute hunter/jumper is for sale at our lesson barn. The drawbacks of this horse is we'd have to give up our current two horses to afford the board on this one, as there is no room at our current barn and board is a lot more at our lesson barn.
Wouldn't you have to pay for the more expensive board at the lesson barn for the months you were planning on sending Casper there for training anyway? Plus the training fees on top of that?

If you are confident your son will stick with riding and is most interested in doing hunter/jumper, this one that's for sale sounds like a good match. It might be worthwhile to do a trial ride ride on it (during a lesson would be ideal!) and you could see if the owners are willing to do a lease with option to buy. And just because your current barn doesn't have openings right now doesn't mean they won't have one in a month or two- ask the BO there if they have a wait list or if they know of anyone planning to move out in the near future.
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I'd put the money into jumping lessons on a lesson horse & see how it goes fro there.
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Wouldn't you have to pay for the more expensive board at the lesson barn for the months you were planning on sending Casper there for training anyway? Plus the training fees on top of that?

If you are confident your son will stick with riding and is most interested in doing hunter/jumper, this one that's for sale sounds like a good match. It might be worthwhile to do a trial ride ride on it (during a lesson would be ideal!) and you could see if the owners are willing to do a lease with option to buy. And just because your current barn doesn't have openings right now doesn't mean they won't have one in a month or two- ask the BO there if they have a wait list or if they know of anyone planning to move out in the near future.
A few things...

1. My son is already taking jumping lessons on a very dependable and safe lesson horse. He is not ready to jump on his own yet (I mean outside of a lesson) but maybe in a year or so he will be.

2. The barn we have our horses is not a boarding barn. It's a woman who has 20-30 horses and is just letting us lease two of them. Her sister is my best friend, so I don't think she'd be leasing to us w/out that connection. She does want to sell some horses and may eventually have room, but that won't be for a bit. Some are being trained right now and hopefully sold once their training is done.

3. I don't think, if my son seriously pursues jumping, Casper will be THE horse. I'm thinking just for the beginning years. If he turns into a kid passionate about it in his teens, we could look for a hunter/jumper at that point, and probably a new lesson barn that focuses on that. Our current trainer rode hunter/jumpers when she was young, so she teaches basic jumping, but her main focus is the AQHA shows.

4. And yes, I'd have to pay $$ to have Casper trained for a few months and expensive board and lessons. I can afford that for 6 months or so...it just isn't something I want to commit to long-term.
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A few things...

1. My son is already taking jumping lessons on a very dependable and safe lesson horse. He is not ready to jump on his own yet (I mean outside of a lesson) but maybe in a year or so he will be.

2. The barn we have our horses is not a boarding barn. It's a woman who has 20-30 horses and is just letting us lease two of them. Her sister is my best friend, so I don't think she'd be leasing to us w/out that connection. She does want to sell some horses and may eventually have room, but that won't be for a bit. Some are being trained right now and hopefully sold once their training is done.

3. I don't think, if my son seriously pursues jumping, Casper will be THE horse. I'm thinking just for the beginning years. If he turns into a kid passionate about it in his teens, we could look for a hunter/jumper at that point, and probably a new lesson barn that focuses on that. Our current trainer rode hunter/jumpers when she was young, so she teaches basic jumping, but her main focus is the AQHA shows.

4. And yes, I'd have to pay $$ to have Casper trained for a few months and expensive board and lessons. I can afford that for 6 months or so...it just isn't something I want to commit to long-term.
Then there's your answer. If a rider is just starting out jumping, and their lease horse is not suitable for it (but is otherwise a suitable mount), then continue with jumping during lessons on a seasoned horse. Keep the lease if the horse is otherwise suitable and if at this point another hunter or jumper cannot be found to lease, that is fine IMHO. Your son is just starting out, he may wind up wanting to go in a completely different direction for riding. No harm done if you own the horse and can resell if needed - that way you have the training put in for market value. However, you lease the horse, and if this horse wouldn;t even be suitable in a couple years IF your son continues to pursue jumping, then no, do not send this horse off for training. Continue the jumping lessons as well as the lease for now. If your son doesn't wind up liking jumping, then perhaps Casper could still be the perfect horse for him in other aspects, and if not, then no harm done and end the lease.
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Then there's your answer. If a rider is just starting out jumping, and their lease horse is not suitable for it (but is otherwise a suitable mount), then continue with jumping during lessons on a seasoned horse. Keep the lease if the horse is otherwise suitable and if at this point another hunter or jumper cannot be found to lease, that is fine IMHO. Your son is just starting out, he may wind up wanting to go in a completely different direction for riding. No harm done if you own the horse and can resell if needed - that way you have the training put in for market value. However, you lease the horse, and if this horse wouldn;t even be suitable in a couple years IF your son continues to pursue jumping, then no, do not send this horse off for training. Continue the jumping lessons as well as the lease for now. If your son doesn't wind up liking jumping, then perhaps Casper could still be the perfect horse for him in other aspects, and if not, then no harm done and end the lease.
You are totally right, I think. Jumping at lessons & just riding at home is just fine for now. I am always overthinking, overanalyzing, etc. And now this little hunter for sale really has me thinking, but we just are ready for that right now. He cannot jump away from lessons until HE can do it well, as I don't jump and have no way to help him.
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