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post #1 of 23 Old 02-02-2016, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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catching a horse who's being herded

Hey forum friends - So, what's the technique to catch a horse who has been "claimed" by another who herds her away every time someone tries to catch her? Group of 3 mares. Herded away from anyone, not just me. Horse is generally very easy to catch and in fact comes to you at the gate.... not now!

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I would suggest that because they are higher in hierarchy than your horse I would give the other two a small amount of hay in one pile. Because it is a small amount they wont let your horse get much or any. It shall be much easier for you to catch your horse probably

If that does not work I would suggest bringing the other two horses in or moving her to a smaller field of her own?

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Catch the Number #1 horse and bring her in or tie her up. #2 may or may not still run interference, try it out and see what she/he does. If she does, catch her and tie her up. Then catch your horse.

If you owned the other 2, I would suggest a whip with a longish lash and establish who's boss and who's not (hint: it's not them), but their owner might object to you hitting their horses. So, go the long way round.

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Catch the Number #1 horse and bring her in or tie her up. #2 may or may not still run interference, try it out and see what she/he does. If she does, catch her and tie her up. Then catch your horse.

If you owned the other 2, I would suggest a whip with a longish lash and establish who's boss and who's not (hint: it's not them), but their owner might object to you hitting their horses. So, go the long way round.
OK might have to do that. I'm actually not opposed to the whip angle and have been given permission to do it... not sure I have the coordination. The rest of the story is that this is the same pasture that my previous mare was in while she was for sale... and the #1 did the same thing with her. I could run her off w/ a crop or whip, but I'm clumsy w/ the whole thing... and she would very dramatically kick and buck as she ran away (not close to me or aimed at anyone - she's not a mean horse... it was just for show). Then spin around and be right back. If I was quick I could get mine haltered and to the gate, then run her off again, etc. while we slipped through. a lot of moving parts for this novice!!
I might just start there again and see if we can pick up where we left off. Just thought there might be an easier way lol. Might have to try haltering the boss, but my understanding is that she's a pill to catch.
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Might have to try haltering the boss, but my understanding is that she's a pill to catch.
Here's how I'd handle it then. I would forget about catching my mare for a day or 2. I'd work the boss mare into the ground. Just keep her moving, don't let her feet stop. You don't need to hit her or run her (unless she challenges you) but just walk her down until she walks off and doesn't come back. Then start on #2 if necessary. It sounds like you need to show those 2 that you're in charge and will remain in charge, then they won't mess with your mare when you're in the pasture with them. My horses all know that I am boss when I'm in the pasture. They all understand, "NOT WHEN I'M STANDING HERE" means. If anyone starts to pin an ear or toss heels at somebody else, I move them out of the group until they acknowledge that I'm in charge.

When they toss heels at each other, or clack teeth or pin ears, they aren't threatening you specifically but since they don't have eyes in their heels or teeth, they can get you while aiming at someone else. Ask me how I know? Yeah, the hard way. So, I just insist on being boss when I'm out in the bunch. That way I can catch whoever needs caught and nobody gets in the way. Or at least not often.

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What Dreamcatcher Arabians said.

I was given this advice when I was having a hard time with my horse being pushed around by three other horses (one of which is a Percheron X so a little intimidating!). Every time I'd go get him, the mare would try to follow him, then the other two geldings would get upset and charge at us and... well, once or twice I just had to let him go so he could get away and I wouldn't get hurt. So I posted a similar question in here and was told to go in there with a whip and mean it! Every time I'd go in, I'd start by pushing the other horses away from my horse. One day, I cracked that whip hard in front of that percheron X (missing him on purpose of course) and he made a big show of kicking up his heels at me and neighing loudly, but ran away. I just kept reinforcing that they were all to keep their distance from me until they just stopped and now leave me alone. If I see one of them starting to move towards us when I'm haltering my horse, I will leave my horse's side and go ape**** waving the whip in front of the other horse until they change their minds. Yesterday I forgot to bring in a while so I just swung around my lead rope. It worked.

I do still sometimes take him out a different way or separate them if I can, because it's easier and safer, but I now know I can go in there and get my horse out safely.
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Here's how I'd handle it then. I would forget about catching my mare for a day or 2. I'd work the boss mare into the ground. Just keep her moving, don't let her feet stop. You don't need to hit her or run her (unless she challenges you) but just walk her down until she walks off and doesn't come back. Then start on #2 if necessary. It sounds like you need to show those 2 that you're in charge and will remain in charge, then they won't mess with your mare when you're in the pasture with them. My horses all know that I am boss when I'm in the pasture. They all understand, "NOT WHEN I'M STANDING HERE" means. If anyone starts to pin an ear or toss heels at somebody else, I move them out of the group until they acknowledge that I'm in charge.

When they toss heels at each other, or clack teeth or pin ears, they aren't threatening you specifically but since they don't have eyes in their heels or teeth, they can get you while aiming at someone else. Ask me how I know? Yeah, the hard way. So, I just insist on being boss when I'm out in the bunch. That way I can catch whoever needs caught and nobody gets in the way. Or at least not often.
Yes, herd the herder.
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Catch the Number #1 horse and bring her in or tie her up. #2 may or may not still run interference, try it out and see what she/he does. If she does, catch her and tie her up. Then catch your horse.

If you owned the other 2, I would suggest a whip with a longish lash and establish who's boss and who's not (hint: it's not them), but their owner might object to you hitting their horses. So, go the long way round.

^^^^^THIS. If either method doesn't work, you're not doing something right.

When all four of my horses were walking this earth and I wanted them up to the barn, it was the second in command I needed to catch to get the other three to follow.

If they were in closer quarters (the front one acre), I used the buggy whip and never touched a horse. I could line them up just by pointing with one hand and shaking the whip in the other hand.

It's a thing of beauty to watch, when nobody's wearing so much as a halter

Meaning, what Dreamcatcher said
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When I had this issue, I kept a wooden mop handle (no mop) nearby. When the horse came up from behind trying to bite the one I was holding, I charged after it like I was completely mad and delivered a good whack on it's shoulder. After that I had only to look at it and it stayed back.



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Thankfully the "herder" is more of a party girl than a bully. And she's quite lovely - so I can't help but admire her even in the drama :)

I'll get bossier. She doesn't pin her ears or bite or kick at my horse, just tries to 'protect her' from me sigh.
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