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post #31 of 52 Old 09-29-2016, 02:57 PM
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Cats definitely can't have ivomectrin. It crosses the blood brain barrier and makes them crazy.
How could anyone tell? They're cats.
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One of the nastiest 'accidents' that happened to me was when worming a pony. I loosely say accident because it wasn't really that it as my fault entirely.

I was in a hurry and needed to worm a new pony I had in. I had him tied up, grabbed the wormer and shoved it in his mouth. It caught him by surprise and he reared up catching me under e chin with his knee.

Quickest tooth extractions ever. I caught most of them in my hand and what weren't knocked clean out were broken.

I had been taught to always stand facing the same way as the horse when administering anything orally. I didn't and learned the lesson the hard way. I never made that mistake again.
Horrible...!!! I would have died. Glad it wasn't anything serious at least!

I always stand on the right as I am right handed so left hand on nose right hand uses the syringe (easier to do the plunger on the right). I wonder if that helps me as horses are less likely to expect something on the right as most handling is done on the left. Shrug. Don't know.

And yes, be quick and efficient but maybe not that quick^! lol!
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One of the nastiest 'accidents' that happened to me was when worming a pony. I loosely say accident because it wasn't really that it as my fault entirely.

I was in a hurry and needed to worm a new pony I had in. I had him tied up, grabbed the wormer and shoved it in his mouth. It caught him by surprise and he reared up catching me under e chin with his knee.

Quickest tooth extractions ever. I caught most of them in my hand and what weren't knocked clean out were broken.

I had been taught to always stand facing the same way as the horse when administering anything orally. I didn't and learned the lesson the hard way. I never made that mistake again.
I cant begin to imagine the pain. I feel kinda woozy just reading that.
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post #34 of 52 Old 09-29-2016, 07:44 PM
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One of the nastiest 'accidents' that happened to me was when worming a pony. I loosely say accident because it wasn't really that it as my fault entirely.

I was in a hurry and needed to worm a new pony I had in. I had him tied up, grabbed the wormer and shoved it in his mouth. It caught him by surprise and he reared up catching me under e chin with his knee.

Quickest tooth extractions ever. I caught most of them in my hand and what weren't knocked clean out were broken.

I had been taught to always stand facing the same way as the horse when administering anything orally. I didn't and learned the lesson the hard way. I never made that mistake again.

That sounds a lot like the "accident" I had deworming a horse too. Only I don't remember it. We talked about that once before, and you mentioned standing in front of the horse was probably the trigger. It probably was, I do remember I was trying to leave for APHA World Show down in Ft. Worth and was most likely rushing. I definitely don't stand in front of them anymore.
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i would never give my cats ivermectin. I usually rinse the tubes in the water troughs. I have a mixture of dogs. hounds, shepards, heelers and have not had a problem. The heeler had demotic mange and he was given liquid ivermectin and was on it a long time, Vet rx. it was dosed to his weight , and we were warned about the hazard. It was heal him up or put him down.

I have a few horses if you try to cover their head, there is a battle, and it can escalate into a dangerous situation quickly. So if any one tries this , be very careful.

I have 2 horses that will grab the syringe and suck on it. I had one horse, that if rushed turned his head sideways ,, the worse he acted. I had to hold the syringe and he would flip his head for 10 minutes or so, then I would touch the syringe to the halter, and we would go through the head flip routine, and then he would accept the syringe. To rush him was a full out fight,, rearing striking, flipping over .He was older, was losing sight, and had at one point had a mouth injury, which required 100 stitches , so he had scarring in his mouth . A dog had bit him (not my dog)
You could not see the scars, but you could feel them in his lips, when he was sedated for floating i would check to see if they were reducing.
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Ouch! Hurts just reading it.
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Horrible...!!! I would have died. Glad it wasn't anything serious at least!

I always stand on the right as I am right handed so left hand on nose right hand uses the syringe (easier to do the plunger on the right). I wonder if that helps me as horses are less likely to expect something on the right as most handling is done on the left. Shrug. Don't know.

And yes, be quick and efficient but maybe not that quick^! lol!
No one believes me when I say that it was all so quick that it didn't hurt! What did get to me was that having also broken my nose I had to breathe through my mouth and when the cold air hit the broken teeth it was like biting on silver paper.

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That sounds like a move best left to experienced horsewomen/men! This 50-something novice probably will be fussing with applesauce.... that's more my skill level

I do really love to see someone pull out a maneuver that looks like magic, yet does the trick. My 'ex-horse' had a small eye ulcer, but would act up horribly including rearing to have the twice daily meds put in her eye. The barn owner (wonderful experienced horsewoman) was about to resort to sedating her each time, though she hated to. I was there, and she asked a visiting vet who happened to be there if he had any ideas... he proceeded to apply a 'hand twitch' maneuver to her shoulder, and we were all totally shocked. The mare just stood there quietly while they medicated her - and that worked on her every time for anything and we used it whenever we needed to calm her down. I guess different things work on different horses, because we tried the shoulder twitch on Kota and it did not do much unfortunately...
I actuality it is very easy to do. Once the horse has its eyes covered it doesn't want to move. Spinning it in a couple of circles disorientated it and it doesn't see the wormer coming.

Watch how they load young racehorses into the starting gates, much the same thing in that they will use a blindfold.
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How could anyone tell? They're cats.
LOL so true LOL

But when they decide to go for walks in muddy creeks, can't pass a sobriety test one figures it out.
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LOL so true LOL

But when they decide to go for walks in muddy creeks, can't pass a sobriety test one figures it out.
LOL! I've got one that does that just cuz! But then again......he's not quite right even for a barn cat. We say, "The Voices are STRONG with you today." because sometimes he's just......schizo.

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But when they can't pass a sobriety test one figures it out.
Our last cat got sick to the point where it was time for euthanasia. I am a very firm believer that the most humane way to end an animal's life is with a properly used firearm. Done properly, there is not so much as a twitch.

I have had multiple scarring experiences with euthanasia performed by a veterinarian, which is never as quick and gentle as people wish it to be. Plus you add the extra horror of putting the animal in an environment that induces terror.

My wife wouldn't allow me to shoot the cat and insisted that I take it to the vet. I couldn't bear the horror of another veterinarian induced trauma, so prior to putting the cat in the pet transporter, I dosed it with milk strongly spiked with Everclear.

I'm pretty sure Crybaby never even felt the needle.
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This works really well if you can get a bit in the horse's mouth. There is a built in syringe in the side of the bit. Once you get the headstall part over the horse's ears, you put the medication (applesauce and meds) in the side of the bit and push the plunger and the concoction ends up in the horse's mouth. Works great.
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