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post #41 of 52 Old 10-02-2016, 11:09 PM
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This works really well if you can get a bit in the horse's mouth. There is a built in syringe in the side of the bit. Once you get the headstall part over the horse's ears, you put the medication (applesauce and meds) in the side of the bit and push the plunger and the concoction ends up in the horse's mouth. Works great.
I've never really understood that. If you can get the syringe in that position in the first place, then why need a device?

Can you explain?
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Training your horse to accept being medicated is always worthwhile. You never know when an accident or disease will require that your horse be medicated regularly to protect it's health, sight, usefulness, or even its life. We have faced situations in the veterinary clinic where horses that could be saved instead lost usefulness or died because we simply could not treat them.

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Training your horse to accept being medicated is always worthwhile. You never know when an accident or disease will require that your horse be medicated regularly to protect it's health, sight, usefulness, or even its life. We have faced situations in the veterinary clinic where horses that could be saved instead lost usefulness or died because we simply could not treat them.
^^^That should be a sticky in the Health Section, but it would probably be "singing to the choir".

The vet who owns the facility I use and one of the farm vets have both walked up to two of my horses, in the sick bay yard, while I was going after a halter and:

1. Gave the purebred Arab a physical (we all know how wild-eyed and unpredictable those nutcase Arabs can be).

2. Gave one of my Walking Horses a shot for pain and an antibiotic injection.

^^^two separate vet visits but all while the horses were loose in the half acre side yard and without benefit of halters or hay twines. Just walked right up to my horses and went at it. The TWH that received two injections, never flicked an ear and was gracious enough to give the vet a smooch when she scratched his muzzle.

Work with your horses folks----- work with your horses and I don't mean always lunging/round penning/making their round peg selves fit into square peg training holes. Teach them how to properly behave at the doctor's office whether they like or not --- it could save their life.
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post #44 of 52 Old 10-04-2016, 04:06 PM
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AND save you money!! Was working with a friend's/boarder's horse who is typically sweet and well behaved but was new at the time and is a COMPLETE drama queen. Had a TINY injury to tip of ear. Bad enough to need treating but very superficial and minor. With drugs AND a twitch we couldn't treat it. Had to get the vet out to do a very heavy tranq and a very thorough cleaning then silver spray. The one visit and "deep clean" was all he needed, but had he been more cooperative all he really needed was a quick 1-2 with some betadine and antibiotic ointment. A minute or less of time with things we had lying around anyways as opposed to a $300 vet bill (or whatever it was).

Then he was head shy for 2 weeks and was spooking about another lady who "looks" like the horse vet and is a SMALL animal vet lol who was trying to work with him (she is experienced so it was a non-issue just funny).

Horses!

Was working with another horse who was in a trailer accident. They had to tranq her to cut her out and she was VERY beat up. There are plenty of well trained/behaved horses who would have lost their patience after all of that, let alone one iffy to start with. Luckily this mare was a complete saint and the most she did would be to move away when it was getting a bit "too much". Honestly if she hadn't been treatable (aka doing painful difficult things multiple times a day for long periods of time over her entire body...over the course of months until she was at a more minimal level of care) she would have needed to be put down. As it was it was touch and go.

Then you've got my own guy who is just super accident prone for whatever reason. Pretty much every time I see him it's something, mostly minor but plenty not. I can do whatever is needed with him loose, no matter how painful. That's worth it's weight in gold imo.
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I've never really understood that. If you can get the syringe in that position in the first place, then why need a device?

Can you explain?
I had a gelding who would let you do just about anything to him until he smelled bute in a paste form. The minute the cap came off the syringe he became a giraffe.

So....I put this "bit" in his mouth and essentially he (for whatever reason) submitted. He didn't realize that the bit had anything to do with the medication.

I would need a ladder otherwise....worked great for me.
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I really thought the applesauce thing would work. It sounded so reasonable! Kota loves apples. And apple treats. She's not mouthy at all and is rarely treated by hand, but the one time someone came to visit her after having eaten an apple she kept trying to lick his hand... I didn't let her, but finally figured out what was going on and a hand washing solved it.... Did I mention she REALLY likes apples?

Anyway, I finally got some of those great applesauce squeeze pouches. First 'lesson' was Friday. I had several hours available just to hang out, so that's what I did... feeding, grooming, really relaxed. I started by putting a little applesauce on my fingers and since I'd been stroking near her mouth, slipped a little in at the sides. She went all giraffe-like just from that! so I just kept grooming, and when she'd get relaxed, put a little on my finger and touched her lips... this time same thing, and she'd lick a little off, and proceed to wipe it off on the fence rail as if it was the yuckiest thing she'd ever tasted. Then I just stood around relaxed with the tube near her hoping she'd get interested. One sniff, then ignored it and dozed off. I had much more of the stuff on me than ever made it down her.

So went out the next day, again with no big agenda. Didn't force it on her. Just stood relaxed leaning on the rail with the tube and some sauce squeezed out. She barely sniffed it. By this time I was figuring it just wasn't good. So I walked over to the busy-body mare who'd had her head over the rail watching the whole thing. She took one sniff, and would have sucked it all out if I'd let her!... I went over and offered my horse another chance - she was interested slightly, but then nothing. I squeezed a glob out into her food pan; she sniffed it, but then just stood there. I gave it to the other mare who just about licked a hole through the pan. Sigh, my girl just seems suspicious of anything liquidy coming from people. (We had tried molasses when we first were attempting to worm her). Anyway, what next? something yummier? a tube of honey?

** by the way, she isn't scared of everything by any means... we haven't tried just walking up to her loose to give shots, but I just hold her on a loose lead and she doesn't even flinch.

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Sounds like the issue is handling her mouth and she's just busy being stubborn on that.

I would just keep on working on it, same thing, it won't happen overnight.

Don't let her be so stubborn. I would have a hand on her halter for a little more control if you aren't doing that (don't get into a pulling war though you won't win). I would also teach her a head down cue if she's pulling on you.

I'd forget about the tube until she's ok with you handling her mouth and be positive it's something she likes (not all applesauce is created equal lol).
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In her case, I'd start with just sticking a finger in her mouth and getting her to open. If you don't already know this, just stick a finger in the side of her mouth where the bars are and touch her tongue. Usually as soon as the finger goes in at that spot, they open and lick a little. Get her to where she's ok with that on a dry finger. Take a wormer tube and wash it out good so it doesn't taste like wormer, and start by sticking your finger in her mouth, then use the empty tube. Stand at her side, facing the same direction she is for safety. Again, just stick the tube in and touch her tongue with it, don't try to put it all the way in her mouth at first. Just get her to where she'll stand and the tube touches, she opens and doesn't fight. When you can do that much, tell her she's good, give her a carrot or other treat she likes and leave it alone. Just mess with her mouth several times/day until she just stands and accepts it. Take your time, don't try to do it all in one day. Just keep at it every time you go out to see her, until it's no big deal. Then you can dip the tube in applesauce, yogurt, rub a real ripe banana on it, whatever and let her get used to the flavored tube going in. Break each bit down into teeny tiny steps and work on each one until she's ok with all of them.
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This really does work! You can stretch it out and squirt that applesauce once a week or a couple times a week. Over time they realize how good that applesauce is and de-worming is no longer an issue.


You may, at some point have a horse colic and have to administer quite a bit of mineral oil through a syringe so having a horse that accepts that tube can come in really handy


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I always take the path of least resistance, but there may come a time when the horse will not take a medication in it's feed and it will be important to make sure they get the right dose. My mare was the worst I'd ever seen, plunging and rearing at the sight of a tube or syringe in my hand. No way was a tube of applesauce going to be any different. I started with sticking a finger in the corner of her mouth then rewarding with a carrot chip. Then I was able to progress to letting her see the syringe. Finally administering the applesauce worked.
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What, you mean I can't solve a 13 year learned behavior in a couple of days

Thanks all - I'll just go slow and steady. Baby steps, and reward.

I do now understand the importance of getting her to accept the syringe.

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