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post #11 of 28 Old 05-05-2018, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
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the noseband is there just for esthetics.
See I believed this as well - up until I discussed it with my instructor. We didn't have time to go in depth but she said that right now for Katie's level of training in jumping the noseband is currently functional and that at some point in time, we wont need it. But right now, we do. I can't say I understand tbh but she's very knowledgeable and horse considerate, so I'll accept what she says >.<
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post #12 of 28 Old 05-05-2018, 10:34 AM
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For me it's only there for the esthetics.

So yes, that article says, noseband adds sensitivity to the bit. In my experience too many riders have hard hands anyway, so they definitely don't need the noseband to add sensitivity. What they need is educate themselves to be softer, not the horse.

I personally ride dressage with the principles of classical dressage. My goal is to have the horses as light as possible. I don't believe in gadgets, but that just me. I'm not very traditional in the way of doing things.
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As per the linked article? I skimmed it and it seemed to mostly be anti-tight noseband. And no one has ever explained the purpose of a loose noseband, other than aesthetics.

The linked article does start with this interesting idea: "Nosebands evolved for many reasons, but one of the first uses was very practical: to keep the jaws of horses from clattering as they galloped into war laden with heavy armor, while at the same time keeping unruly stallions from taking bites out of each other and affording the often less than experienced soldier some control of his mount."

This quotation totally destroyed my faith in the author, as it sounds like she pulled it out straight of her you know where. Clattering jaws? Unruly stallions? More control? These statements range from dubious to ridiculous.

The only reason I've ever read or heard that made sense to me about why to have a TIGHT noseband, is that it keeps the horse from evading the bit pressure by opening its mouth. Period. If this is true, and it sure sounds like it is, then one must always ask the question of why you are applying that much pressure. This, I believe, is the crux of the issue. You have to answer this and answer it honestly.

I also want to add that I have heard very high level instructors give very bogus reasons for doing things. It is a very rare equine professional who has any sense of the real biomechanics of riding and tack. The amount of peer-reviewed and tested science used by riding instructors is infinitesimal. Doesn't mean they don't know how to do stuff, it's just that riding is more of a 'learned feel' than anything else.

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2. because it is your unexamined habit, whether it gets results, doesn't do anything either way, or is a net detriment. Usually this is because the culture of your discipline has taught you to do it that way, and going against the culture which supports you is a hard ugly road most people understandably won't choose.

And every horse is different, too.

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The linked article does start with this interesting idea: "Nosebands evolved for many reasons, but one of the first uses was very practical: to keep the jaws of horses from clattering as they galloped into war .."
I, too, got a good laugh over this statement. I have ridden lots of miles over varied terrain at speed and not once heard any jaw clattering despite not using a noseband at all. Perhaps riding to war makes a difference?!

@Kalraii , what specifically makes you think your mare finds her bridle uncomfortable? Is it rubbing her hair off? Does some part seem very tight?
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post #15 of 28 Old 05-05-2018, 11:08 AM
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And no one has ever explained the purpose of a loose noseband, other than aesthetics.
Because there is none, other than the looks. Just like the polo wraps to me.

Or doing this to your horse's mane (my mare, not criticising anybody than myself ):


Although, to be quite frank the latter does help some when they are sweating under their manes in hot weather.

Thank you for putting it in words much better than I could manage.
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I, too, got a good laugh over this statement. I have ridden lots of miles over varied terrain at speed and not once heard any jaw clattering despite not using a noseband at all. Perhaps riding to war makes a difference?!
Maybe you just can't hear it with all the wind in your ears?!

Maybe they could not just figure out that the clattering actually came from what they were carrying on them.
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I'd say it was more the armor on their faces than their jaws but clattering jaws does sound impressive...
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Measuring your horse's face is the best way to get a good fit. Each horse is made a little different, especially draft crosses! My Percheron/Arab had a wide but short face with a slight dish to his nose.

I had to buy a warmblood bridle to get the required width, but had the side pieces shortened by one inch to fit his face correctly.

IMO the leather should be thick enough to match the size of their face. I do not care for very thin leather on a draft horse, it makes the head look big and bulky.

Everyone I know who tried the Micklem bridle has been unhappy with the quality and function. They are just a bit gimmicky IMO and a traditional bridle with a plain padded browband and noseband looks the best. Or maybe just a little bling
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I agree with getting proper measurements. My horse has a huge noggin' and I too went the endurance bridle route. Horse sizes were too tight, warmblood sizes fit just "ok", and draft fit better but looked so bulky I was back to a rubbing issue.
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I, too, got a good laugh over this statement. I have ridden lots of miles over varied terrain at speed and not once heard any jaw clattering despite not using a noseband at all. Perhaps riding to war makes a difference?!
I'm pretty sure that if I were riding to war, my teeth would be clattering..maybe the horses got the blame when it was the riders?

A simple cavesson noseband I have always thought was mainly aesthetic, unless you want a standing martingale, then it is kind of essential. There are some big old clonking heads out there vastly improved by the addition in the right size, width and color of noseband.

A flash does not have to crank the mouth shut, though sadly you see it used like that too often, there are some horses who seem to go better with a correctly fitted flash, they either like the feeling, or the argument that it steadies the bit in the mouth carries some weight.

I recently realized, to my total shame, that Fergies browband has always been a little tight, I hadn't made that connection, she was a lot happier when I made it a bit bigger..

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