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post #11 of 40 Old 07-30-2014, 11:28 AM Thread Starter
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I take it the allergy thing is too severe for you to consider another breed? I only ask because I am/was allergic to horses. When I started learning to ride (14 years ago ish) I had to take an antihistamine before the lesson, and I never touched my face during or after until I'd changed my clothes and washed my hands. Fast forward to now and I own two horses which I keep at home. I'd almost forgotten the allergy really - but I still wouldn't groom them and then itch my face

Anyway. Yes, I do think that six years old is too young for your first horse. However calm, confident, well trained it is, it is by definition of it's age GREEN. How much of the world has it seen? How many owners? How challenged has it been mentally?

I will share the story of my youngster for you as an example. He was bred by a very responsible and honest breeder with whom I am still in touch. She did 'everything' with him - backed him, round penning, arena, trail riding, trail obstacles, intro to jumping etc etc. he is an angel on the ground, the sweetest personality you could want, clever and willing. I bought him and brought him up to my place.

Short version of long story is that he and I have discovered that she had inadvertently never pushed him out of his comfort zone, and that when he is too scared...and too confused...he will panic and buck his rider off. I have been bucked twice, and my trainer once. I now know him, understand him, and still love him, and I think - I believe - that I will still make a good horse out of him. By which I mean one that has learnt enough about the world not to implode.

But truth is, he was too green for me, and he was not my first horse by any means.

So...if you need to stick with Curlies - are you certain that there are only two breeders in Alberta? My experience with Canadians is that there are plenty more than I first knew about, but they don't have an internet presence.

My friend here has a Curly X: I can ask her if she has more information to help you.
Sadly yes, it's severe enough that I can't even ride smooth coat curlies without getting sick. It has to be a true curly inside and out and crosses haven't worked this far (my trainer/BO has a wide variety of breeding stock I've tested on). *sigh*

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post #12 of 40 Old 07-30-2014, 05:38 PM
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Sadly yes, it's severe enough that I can't even ride smooth coat curlies without getting sick. It has to be a true curly inside and out and crosses haven't worked this far (my trainer/BO has a wide variety of breeding stock I've tested on). *sigh*
Okay, gotcha. Bad luck!

Where are the breeders that you have identified so far?

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post #13 of 40 Old 07-30-2014, 05:43 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, gotcha. Bad luck!

Where are the breeders that you have identified so far?
One is in Camrose, I haven't been out there because I can't justify their prices. I ride at the other breeders, Sunnybrook Stables. I have looked at classifieds but there only one curly being offered by a nonbreeder and she is high strung and way too much horse for me to handle. It's why they are unloading her. SO definitely not interested in that mare.

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post #14 of 40 Old 07-31-2014, 12:24 AM
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I think this:

The offer you have to take this six year old on loan is a good one, and it may all work out right.

But. Once you go down this path...you are already attached to this horse, and you have a strong relationship with the owner/breeder/trainer. Therefore your decision will be more emotional than would be ideal; you may push yourself to 'make it work' even if this isn't the horse for you.

So before you commit - check out the breeders in Sask as well as Alberta. Go and visit the Camrose breeder EVEN IF their prices seem high. A few day trips here and there will allow you to compare different horses and make a more objective decision.

I wish you good luck :) it's exciting for you!

On the money front - I think you have the funds. What you need to double and treble reconsider is this:

Owning a horse is a 365 day responsibility. They get ill, and they break when you are not planning it.

You will fritter away money on tack, grooming stuff, minerals, supplements, fly spray, and riding clothes.

You will have to chose whether you pay for veterinary insurance, or keep a slush fund deep in a bank account with a lock on it.

I keep my horses at home, so my expenses exclude any board fees. I spend $500 per month on my two horses and one donkey, excluding annual horse insurance, but including my trailer insurance. This includes a trainers fees once a fortnight.

This excludes my winter hay purchase which I hide in the household account....

I run a pick-up that tows my trailer. I bought a basic three horse stock trailer type.

I think the covers the payment side - only you know if you will be stretched if you take these funds out of your existing budget.
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post #15 of 40 Old 07-31-2014, 12:50 AM
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Honestly? I think you're ready. You have a good plan, a nice chunk of change saved up, and a solid income.

Go try the horse, take your trainer/instructor with you. Take videos. DO NOT COMMIT TO BUYING THE HORSE AFTER THE FIRST LOOK. Go home. Sleep on it. Watch the videos. Take some horsie friends (including your trainer) out to eat and watch the videos again. Make a "pros" and "cons" list. Make a list of things that are important to you and see how this horse ranks on that scale. If you have a favorite lesson horse, put that horse on the scale and see how he compares to the potential purchase.

Go back and ride him again. If you still like him, get a pre purchase exam. THEN buy him if he checks out.

This is the procedure I followed, and I ended up with a horse that is 100% perfect for me in every way.

Good luck.
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post #16 of 40 Old 07-31-2014, 03:31 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you everyone :) I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions :)

Had another lesson today, got to groom and tack up Joker (the gelding I like) for another rider to exercise. He was awesome! The lesson horse (Oakley, she knows I'm a noob and takes advantage haha) I ride always gives me grief when I try to pick her hooves but Joker picked them up without hesitation and gave me no trouble. Today definitely made me reign in my buyers urge too so I feel even more successful!
I'd rather lose out on joker and wait TIL either I have a year or two of lessons. Spoke to her today and it didn't sound like she's retiring soon (which is what I was worried about). Maybe by the time I'm ready if joker is still there, he'll be more seasoned or maybe she be willing to sell one of the older curlies (like Oakley). I don't want to buy him so young. Was scared she'd stop breeding (and maybe she will but that's no excuse) and I really only feel comfortable buying from her. But there's always time! Just to clarify, the BO, breeder I want to buy from and my trainer are ALL the same person.

See! No need to worry about me being impulsive. Even when feelings involved I'm very logical. I may still ask about leasing him after six months, we will see :) now I'd love to gush about my lesson if that's ok because my family didn't give two cents when I tried to tell them about it hahaha!

I studied two point all week online since it was a weak area the last lesson and she saw the difference, I got it really good the first couple times then it started to fall apart haha then we practiced haults and I got Oakley to hault in perfect leg formation and she was like WOW be proud of yourself!

Then she taught me posting trot (first time I have EVER trotted on a horse) and she said "no one gets it first time. Just don't freak out if it goes to hell, I'll stop her." I went around the first circle on a lunge line and she slowed Oakley down, corrected some stuff I was doing then started up again and I was doing it and she was like, holy crap you're a natural! Your timing is spot on, just gotta work on not coming down too hard in the saddle. And gave me a high five. We did it a few more times and I corrected small things myself (like keeping my heels down in post) and she was shaking her head and praising me. Then she let me practice with the other three girls who are way more experienced than me! So yeah, elated

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post #17 of 40 Old 09-02-2014, 03:23 PM Thread Starter
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Hello everyone! Me again!

So an unexpected event occurred. Still riding with the same breeder/trainer weekly and things are going well. The horse I was originally posting about is still there and still wonderful but also still young. His gelded father however has been bought back byy trainer. His owner got over his allergies and wanted a "real" horse (his loss my gain :p). His name is Andee and he is 16 years old, has been ridden in nearly every displine (dressage, roping and cutting, pleasure, jumping etc) but is very laid back and well broke. Calm disposition, very been there done that. My trainer said of all her horses, Andee is the one she'd recommend for me.

Not jumping into anything just yet, asked to ride him in a few of our lessons and maybe try leasing him first, seeing how he catches and if he has weird ticks but he's a great animal.

I'm hoping to get some conformation photos, maybe tomorrow, but here he is on her website! Thoughts?

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to me, you have a great head on your shoulders, and are not rushing into this on emotions only. you have watched this horse for four years, dont remember if you were riding him or not, I believe you said you were. You sound financially able to care for him, any emergencies. wonderful you have thought this through. since you have been taking lessons, you could continue to take lessons with your horse, and go out with some experienced trail riders. Everyone starts somewhere. And I live in California, I pay less then 200 at the place I board, it is family owned, and they are very experienced horse people, the horses are well fed and have big pens with shelters. checked on a few times a day as well, so there are good barns out there for reasonable board, and good care, just check out all the horses at the barn you are considering, and look at them to see if they are well fed, and cared for. good luck and have fun, that is what it is all about, you seem very prepared and



have thought this through, oh just seen you found another horse, still think you are more then prepared for horse ownership, again have fun
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post #19 of 40 Old 09-03-2014, 05:09 AM Thread Starter
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to me, you have a great head on your shoulders, and are not rushing into this on emotions only. you have watched this horse for four years, dont remember if you were riding him or not, I believe you said you were. You sound financially able to care for him, any emergencies. wonderful you have thought this through. since you have been taking lessons, you could continue to take lessons with your horse, and go out with some experienced trail riders. Everyone starts somewhere. And I live in California, I pay less then 200 at the place I board, it is family owned, and they are very experienced horse people, the horses are well fed and have big pens with shelters. checked on a few times a day as well, so there are good barns out there for reasonable board, and good care, just check out all the horses at the barn you are considering, and look at them to see if they are well fed, and cared for. good luck and have fun, that is what it is all about, you seem very prepared and



have thought this through, oh just seen you found another horse, still think you are more then prepared for horse ownership, again have fun
Yes different horse but from the same breeder (who is also my trainer and the owner of the barn haha) and this second horse is ten years older (and was the sire of the first horse hehe), very well disciplined so no green on green territory :p

I still love the first horse (Joker) but Andee (his father who yes is gelded) is a MUCH better choice for a beginner like me ^_^ what do you guys think of his photos?? I checked with my trainer and she's going to have me ride Andee tomorrow at our lesson so we can get a feel for each other! I'm excited and hope someone else doesn't buy him :p

I also checked with her, he's being sold for 4500 but she said she'd sell him to me for 4000. I could board at her barn for 110/month including deworming and 25 for farrier visits so I could still continue taking lessons from her. All in all, while it's still an expensive hobby to have, it's proving to be way less expensive than I was preparing for for years.

***** JUST A NOTE HERE SINCE IT SEEMS TO CONFUSE SOME PEOPLE: the person I'd be buying from (breeder of curlies for 25 years) is also my trainer and owner of the barn I'd be boarding at. It's all one person, I've known her for four years and have seen her do business multiple times and she's solid. I trust she would only sell me a suitable mount for my skill level.

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post #20 of 40 Old 09-03-2014, 07:21 AM
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Keep us updated on how you two get along. Even though a horse is older and experienced, if a rider and a horse just don't get along, it won't really be fun for you.

I do feel like the much older horse is probably the better choice.

I'm bad at conformation, but I looked at the pictures and he seems like a pretty nice horse. Handsome, at least :)
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