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post #11 of 52 Old 12-02-2014, 11:43 AM
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I'd put the money into training her.
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post #12 of 52 Old 12-02-2014, 11:53 AM
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Unless you want TWO of what you have, don't breed the mare.
YES, 1000x over.

I haven't followed OP's posts about the mare, but whether you plan to keep the foal or not (and let's face it, poop happens, sales fall through all the time) - you're going to land yourself or a buyer with a potentially huge problem. I can't think of one person who'd want a foal that came out of a mare with those problems listed.

I have one mare that is going to be bred within the next 1-2 years (as long as something drastic doesn't happen in my own life that would prevent this from happening). She's showing A/AA circuit hunters now, quiet quiet quiet, total packer but has potential for more than she's currently competing at. Good conformation, good lines, awesome candidate for a foal. I'd be proud to have another just like her/similar to her/what have you.

My other mare was a broodmare before I owned her. I've had her 12 years in spring. You couldn't pay me to put somebody on that horse. I love her, she's my heart horse, but she's extremely unpredictable and dangerous in the wrong hands (I've had a handful of nasty falls off her in the past, despite being experienced). So, for obvious reasons, I would never breed her. I love that mare, and yes I'd love a baby out of her - but that's for sentimental "heart felt" reasons - logically it would be such a BAD idea.
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I breed horses. I say that so you know I'm not just being mean. The MOST important thing in deciding whether or not to breed an animal is: TEMPERAMENT. A horse who bucks does not have the temper I want to pass on in my breeding program. I would sell her or give her away to someone with full disclosure of everything you know about her bucking and colicing.

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You know, every horse has probably bucked at least once in their life and coliced (maybe not every horse on this one). So that pretty much means we shouldn't breed at all?
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Agree with everything else. NEVER NEVER NEVER breed a horse that you have issues with.

The only "unless" is if you are a VERY experienced and professional breeder and the horse is absolutely phenomenal in every other way and if you are you will be able to manage those issues anyways..

Since that isn't the case here... Everything else is completely irrelevant. Continue looking for the right home for her.
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You know, every horse has probably bucked at least once in their life and coliced (maybe not every horse on this one). So that pretty much means we shouldn't breed at all?
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We don't know why she bucks but more importantly the frequent colics could be a hazard during pregnancy. If there is a stricture or mobility problem somewhere, caused by whatever reason, once a baby is jammed in there too the risks get really high.
So that means one should start with the best possible odds of a good outcome & this particular mare doesn't appear in that category.
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I would not have any interest in a QH foal that was out of a 13h mare.
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You know, every horse has probably bucked at least once in their life and coliced (maybe not every horse on this one). So that pretty much means we shouldn't breed at all?
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If all I could say about a horse was, "She's too much for me, she bucks, she colics if you feed her XXXX, so she has a touchy digestion, she's tiny (below breed standard which is generally considered a serious fault) AND I don't want to keep her baby, but she's got a great pedigree.", I absolutely would not consider her worthy of breeding.

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

There is one picture. I know in that picture it looks like her hind is higher than her withers but I think it is just because of how she is holding her weight because in reality she has pretty high withers and they are higher than her hind.
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post #20 of 52 Old 12-02-2014, 01:12 PM
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Unless she is an absolute diamond that would be valued very highly - leave breeding to the professionals with fantastic bloodlines who are happy to spend good money on top quality stallions.

There are plenty of good broodmares with proven show records. IMO you could end up breeding a mediocre horse that will sell for very little, probably not paying it's way by the time it is sold.
This, absolutely. I HATE that (in general) mares aren't held nearly to the same standards that stallions are when it comes to breeding. I've seen on multiple forums (this and others) and in real life a similar situation... "My mare is too much for me/lame/etc" and it's often advised that she be used for a broodmare instead. Very poor logic IMO and I usually hold my tongue, but since the question is being asked I think it applies 100% in this situation.

Things like bucking and colicing do happen in horses. The vast majority of horses will colic under the wrong circumstances, and same with bucking. A problem bucker or colicy horse? No way would I consider them breeding worthy. The ONLY way I'd consider a chronic bucker to be worthy of breeding is if the bucking is caused by pain from an injury not related to the horse's conformation.

Looking at her picture I would also say there are a number of things about her conformation that I wouldn't want to pass down.

My guess is that you'd produce a mediocre foal that isn't marketable, and you'll still have a mare you can't handle when the foal is gone. Just like Maple said, I think it's a very good idea to pass on breeding this mare. Spend the money you would have spent doing a proper breeding (it can get pricey) and hire a trainer. Otherwise, disclose the horse's issues and find her a more suitable home.
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