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post #41 of 52 Old 12-03-2014, 03:54 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, then breeding is out of the question. I have absolutely no idea how to train her. I have never had problems teaching any other horse I have owned anything but she challenges me. I don't feel like I get anywhere with her when training. It's not like she is going to kill me because even though she is a pain in the butt, for the entire year I have had her, I have only got hurt once and it was a very minor concussion. Yes, she is dangerous, but I still feel comfortable getting on her bareback. (as comfortable as I get riding a horse like her) She is 4. Does anyone have any exercises I can do? She doesn't spook at anything (her one good thing) When I try to lunge her, she doesn't respond or tries to charge the whip, or me. I have tried the training method where if they don't go forward, you go from one light tap to hard kicking in 5 seconds? (It is from some famous horse trainer, forgot the name) and that makes her blow up on me. Using treats aren't a option because then she gets pushy and is not willing to do anything unless bribed with treats. Using the more "aggressive" kind of training won't work for her because she is the kind of horse that will blow up if you push her too hard. Ideas?
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You are plainly in over your head with this mare. You either need to get rid of her or enlist the aid of someone that knows how to handle and train a difficult horse -- which she plainly is. You are way to far behind on this one for some simple little exercise to trick to get her respect.
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JUST teach her ground manners. Expect her to be PERFECT:
1) haltering
2) leading
4) feet
5) backing
6) turning on the HQ, while in halter
7) turning on the forehand, while in halter
Start small with small expectations, and deMAND that she obey, then stop, pet and praise, and let her think about YOU as the head broodmare.
I would suggest that you start watching Clinton Anderson and Dennis Reis (RFD.tv) and apply their ground training principles, such as expecting your horse to drop her head to practically the ground and tip it towards you while you halter her. This is submission. I had to get over some fears after a gelding threw me and broke my arm a few years back, and I bought a 16'2hh (NOW 16'3hh) gelding, and I didn't trust him.
NOW, he drops his head to wait for the halter (or the rope, which I often use around his neck to lead from stall to turnout). EVERY TIME he forgets, I discipline and DEMAND the correct action, and then praise him. I don't fear him and he doesn't fear me. But he DOES respect me.
Whenever I turn him out with a halter, he knows "around" which is to walk around the gate and "over", to put his head, halter and lead over the gate and wait until I release him. I don't care if after the halter is off, he decides to run around and be stupid bc that's his right when he is turned out. HE just knows NOT to do it next to me.
Btw, all three of my horses come up to me when I go out in my four acres of pastures. I don't have to chase any of them. Been there, done that.
You'll feel much better about this mare after you teach her some manners. I don't think you should keep her. You bought a mare with baggage and you don't have my 30 years of horse training under your belt, or any other trainer's experience and she WILL disappoint you. But, by teaching her excellent ground manners, she'll sell better and a new owner will have some foundation to work with, something you do not currently have.
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Well, I am trying to get rid of her. I have had a lot of people interested but none of them seem to work out. So, I am trying to whip her into riding shape for whoever does happen to buy her in the meantime. I do have someone coming to help train her every once in a while but so far they haven't been making any gangway.
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Okay, then breeding is out of the question. I have absolutely no idea how to train her. I have never had problems teaching any other horse I have owned anything but she challenges me. I don't feel like I get anywhere with her when training. It's not like she is going to kill me because even though she is a pain in the butt, for the entire year I have had her, I have only got hurt once and it was a very minor concussion. Yes, she is dangerous, but I still feel comfortable getting on her bareback. (as comfortable as I get riding a horse like her) She is 4. Does anyone have any exercises I can do? She doesn't spook at anything (her one good thing) When I try to lunge her, she doesn't respond or tries to charge the whip, or me. I have tried the training method where if they don't go forward, you go from one light tap to hard kicking in 5 seconds? (It is from some famous horse trainer, forgot the name) and that makes her blow up on me. Using treats aren't a option because then she gets pushy and is not willing to do anything unless bribed with treats. Using the more "aggressive" kind of training won't work for her because she is the kind of horse that will blow up if you push her too hard. Ideas?

This may sound harsh but it is all from my experience. You need a trainer who has done rebreaks. There is a world of difference between a trainer who has broke previously unstarted horses, and a trainer who has broken problem horses or rebroke horses. If the person coming every so often hasn't been making the cut get someone else. Get a reputable trainer who has done this their entire life.

At four years old she is either lacking major holes in her training or needs someone who can force her to excel. What this mare needs imho is to BE pushed. She needs to be shown that whatever is bothering her is the LEAST of her problems. Some horses need tough love. She might be one of those. Some horses need a specific person. You are not that person for her. She needs to be shown that all of her blowups get her jack.

I had a horse like that "blew up" who came through where I worked. He had a blow up we worked him through it. In fact one of the worst rides I had was getting thrown on him, told to tick him off and then ride out anything he threw at me. Took four and a half hours and multiple sessions but in the end he realized that all of his 'blow ups' and attitude wasn't going to get him out of work.

I hate to be that person; but I see it a lot with people who've never worked with problem/rebreaks. Doing so alone will get you hurt. This mare sounds like she intentionally goes after you, and that is a major warning sign in my eyes.

Worst case scenario (and it may sound harsh) give her away for free to someone experienced, or take her to a sale.
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Okay, then breeding is out of the question. I have absolutely no idea how to train her. I have never had problems teaching any other horse I have owned anything but she challenges me. I don't feel like I get anywhere with her when training. It's not like she is going to kill me because even though she is a pain in the butt, for the entire year I have had her, I have only got hurt once and it was a very minor concussion. Yes, she is dangerous, but I still feel comfortable getting on her bareback. (as comfortable as I get riding a horse like her) She is 4. Does anyone have any exercises I can do? She doesn't spook at anything (her one good thing) When I try to lunge her, she doesn't respond or tries to charge the whip, or me. I have tried the training method where if they don't go forward, you go from one light tap to hard kicking in 5 seconds? (It is from some famous horse trainer, forgot the name) and that makes her blow up on me. Using treats aren't a option because then she gets pushy and is not willing to do anything unless bribed with treats. Using the more "aggressive" kind of training won't work for her because she is the kind of horse that will blow up if you push her too hard. Ideas?
See, this really worries me. That thinking right there is what's going to get your seriously injured.

I have owned one of my mares for 5 yrs in spring. Quietest mare on the planet. 17.3h tank of a horse. 6 months after I bought her we had a freak accident - I came off and simply the way I landed I wound up cracking my helmet in 3 places (so concussion), 2 broken vertebra in my lower lumbar (spine), slipped disk also in the spine, sprained neck. I have hearing loss due to the accident. It was a complete freak accident, never should have happened, but it did. And guess what? We were WALKING at the time it occurred.

Also not sure what you are referring to as "aggressive" training - but I'm willing to bet money that that horse is blowing up because she's got your number. She's learned that when she "blows up" she gets out of whatever she wants to get out of (ie: "aggressive" training).
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Well, I am trying to get rid of her. I have had a lot of people interested but none of them seem to work out. So, I am trying to whip her into riding shape for whoever does happen to buy her in the meantime. I do have someone coming to help train her every once in a while but so far they haven't been making any gangway.
That won't get her trained. I am in no way saying it's your fault this person hasn't shown up, but this horse needs a serious come-to-jesus moment from REGULAR training from a professional experienced in re-starting. Not once in a while - you'll waste time and money that way.
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Honestly I'd just leave her alone. She CAN and quite likely WILL hurt you. You've been lucky so far.

I would look at giving her away for free. I would try to be picky with the home but I would do it.
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I an going to suggest you try to find someone who will come to your place and work with both of you so you get plenty of hands-on. Just sending a horse off to a trainers won't help you because if you don't change how you handle her, she will soon revert. By having someone come to you, you can do it on an as need basis. It doesn't have to be a trainer, per se, even someone with a lot of experience. I quit retraining horses years ago and opted instead to work with the owners along with the horses.



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Saddlebag, I would agree but since the OP is trying to sell the horse I don't see any problem with sending the horse away.
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