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post #1011 of 1323 Old 11-23-2015, 09:29 AM
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starting at the end of a very long forum post is funny. I am going back reading through and am sooo lost :)
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starting at the end of a very long forum post is funny. I am going back reading through and am sooo lost :)
Thanks..because we have been through most of this already...lol. Don't get him started again on licking and chewing.....
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By now you should stop being shocked by stuff, yes you know everyone is different, there is usually more than one way to do things..
True. I use to always disengage my mare to stop her on the lunge line, but since with the new trainer, we have taught her to whoa by using our shoulder to step into FQ.

New trainer swears you should never stop a horse on a line by disengaging their HQ (which Im mixed about I guess, just cause all my past trainers have disengaged with the HQ) and ive done it alot with my mare and have great success.
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I like Warwick Schiller- just be mindful that you do still have an actual trainer you are paying, and that trainer is still working with your horse.
I know but my trainer im using primarily for riding right now and I dont have access to her everyday, like I do with warwicks videos. I spent almost 3 hours just watching some of his videos and theyre great. Ive learned a lot just from watching and it feels Im almost right there with him as a spectator.

What I really like about him is the way he explains things makes it so easy to understand.

I love watching his videos where viewers will take videos of them and their horse and he views and critiques them back. This not only allows me to listen to Warwicks advice but observe the handler as well and pick up things that i notice. He has a bunch on his site and its great to watch because it feels like im right there.

Group lessons is actually one thing that I was just about to get into with my past trainer at the old barn but we didnt get around to it. Its something i would really benefit from, where a few of us boarders take a lesson together doing the same thing and each take turns while the rest observe and critique. I know at the new barn, the trainer doesnt do these which is too bad.

Theres a lot of little things here and there that you can learn just from watching these videos. In fact there is one of the things I was watching of him do, that im actually considering trying on my mare.

Ive noticed that my mare will be slow when leading into the barn but when leading back to her herd shes fine. Trainer mentioned this to me awhile ago so its nothing new to me. But i essentially would like to be able to lead her with absolutely no tension on the lead. Warwick has a video where he worked with a lazy horse leading and used a flag to just tap towards her HQ when she was slow reacting when he gave the que to walk on. Now (because of wind and my mare gets almost too energetic off a flag stick) I might not be able to use my flag stick but perhaps my dressage whip I can. Right now, Ive just been using the end of my lead, where I will not tap her HQ with it to get her to keep up, but i just show her it by moving my hand behind me so she can see it. It works sometimes but i feel using something longer would be more effective. Dont have to tap her, just point it behind me and if i need to tap, it will be very light cause shes so sensitive on her HQ.

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True. I use to always disengage my mare to stop her on the lunge line, but since with the new trainer, we have taught her to whoa by using our shoulder to step into FQ.

New trainer swears you should never stop a horse on a line by disengaging their HQ (which Im mixed about I guess, just cause all my past trainers have disengaged with the HQ) and ive done it alot with my mare and have great success.
It REALLY makes no difference...as long as she stops when YOU want her to stop.

I do not yield my horses' hind quarters to stop because I do NOT want them to turn in...I want them to stop straight, on the circle, and listen for my next command. I just stand in the middle and say "WHOA".
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It REALLY makes no difference...as long as she stops when YOU want her to stop.

I do not yield my horses' hind quarters to stop because I do NOT want them to turn in...I want them to stop straight, on the circle, and listen for my next command. I just stand in the middle and say "WHOA".
I know, it makes no difference which you do as long as you get the end result. My mare learned both very quickly. But what Ive been told is that you should switch back and fourth between the two, is that right? Can confuse the horse?

So whichever you do, stick with just that and phase out the other?

Another thing i notice from Warwick, is that I was watching one of his videos on someones horse who keeps attempting to reach for grass. I thought this was beneficial to me because this can apply to my mare at times. Shes not terrible but she tries. He got the owner of the horse to correct his gelding and she would just yank on the lead so his head comes back up. Over and over again.

Warwick took over and he doesnt do that. He said something about how you need to make the grass the problem and by just yanking on their lead to get their head back up, is not solving anything because this is a situation whee you need to make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. So by yanking on their lead, you are applying pressure on the lead and their neck, not just when their head is down on the grass but when going down and its not making it hard on them at all. You are just telling them to quit and stop but there is no consequence for them attempting to get grass. Make sense?

So what he did was whenever the horse would go down to get grass, he would give a firm shake on the lead so it taps him on the chin. So basically each time they go down, they get a whack on the chin with the lead as the consenquence. Thought this was interesting and might try it with my mare.
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So warwick (just like my trainer) is not a fan of hand grazing horses. He says (same with my trainer) it leads to other problems like leading.

My trainer says if you want to hand graze your horse, eat up a lot of the slack in the lead and hold the lead no more than 6ft from the snap. Stand relatively close to their shoulder and shoulder only. She says this way if they spook and run into you, you can correct them immediately (where as if you had most of the lead on the ground, you would have to take couple secs to quickly eat up all the slack in the lead first) by then itll be too late to correct them.

She also said, if they try to take off on you, you are better off holding onto that lead when you have more on your end of grab onto.

How do you guys hand graze? Anyone where feel the same as my trainer and Warwick who firmly believe hand grazing causes issues like leading?

Warwick said that when you hand graze, you are letting the horse lead you.
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Thanks..because we have been through most of this already...lol. Don't get him started again on licking and chewing.....
ha ha!! Okay :)
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Also group lessons are never fun, we don't sit one in the middle and one rides. We ride all together and the trainer throws out commands. The only time it would be one at a time is if we are jumping. Anything else its a circus trying to stay aware of were everyone else's horse is and if you need to pass to the left because one is going to slow or acting up. I like my private lessons as when my horse decides to throw a fit and back his haffie back end up, I don't need to worry about him busting someone elses horse in the face xD

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So warwick (just like my trainer) is not a fan of hand grazing horses. He says (same with my trainer) it leads to other problems like leading.

My trainer says if you want to hand graze your horse, eat up a lot of the slack in the lead and hold the lead no more than 6ft from the snap. Stand relatively close to their shoulder and shoulder only. She says this way if they spook and run into you, you can correct them immediately (where as if you had most of the lead on the ground, you would have to take couple secs to quickly eat up all the slack in the lead first) by then itll be too late to correct them.

She also said, if they try to take off on you, you are better off holding onto that lead when you have more on your end of grab onto.

How do you guys hand graze? Anyone where feel the same as my trainer and Warwick who firmly believe hand grazing causes issues like leading?

Warwick said that when you hand graze, you are letting the horse lead you.
Like every other thing in the horse world it all depends.

I do not ever let my horse graze with a bit in, when he/she is tacked up and working, then they are working not grazing.

In a halter, well Gibbs is allowed to walk behind me on a 12' lead rope, and he can graze as long as he keeps up...that concept is probably confusing to you, but that is OK, you don't have to GET everything, it is something that Gibbs and I have worked out.

Now when I am actually hand grazing a horse, a don't really care where I stand, but it will be closer to the front end, hand grazing is something we do for quiet time, for a reward, and I am not dictating anything to them, we just amble along looking for tasty bits of grass, I might be leaning on them, admiring them from a few feet away, it is a chill time not an exercise, so stay safe and enjoy.

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