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post #1031 of 1323 Old 11-23-2015, 07:19 PM
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My TB has only spooked into me once and that is it after that he learnt quickly I didn't appreciate being run over and that I would 'eat' him if he ever did it again.
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I never ever think about it, if I hand graze it is a reward, and the horse has earned the right just to chill and eat grass, I don't care it is time out.


If I was hand grazing a spooky horse with no respect for my space I would be carrying a schooling whip and the first time they invaded my space they would regret it. And NO I can't explain what I mean because my level of response would depend totally on the horse...my last Arab, it would just take a word and a look, my current mare, well she would probably think she was going to die because I would be hard and heavy on her. Gibbs would have physical punishment because he knows better and nothing would scare him enough to be on my space so he would just be being a pain.


If she is spooking at cars out on the road you have problems, the only way to get over it is to expose her to stuff. My genuine concern is that you just do not have the experience to deal with this. Not your fault, but you can't learn everything you need to know in months, or even a couple of years. After years of handling different horses you knwo what to do without thinking about it, having to think and then react means that you are too late, you have missed the window. This is why we all recommend an older trained horse for the absolute novice, they are more forgiving and will not take advantage of a raw beginners mistakes and bad timing.


Then why ask about who is the boss? When I was at work, my boss was my boss, I did as he told me, did not argue back, was a good second in command. When we went out for a drink after work he was less my boss and more Phil, and the relationship was different. I do not have to be the boss if my horse every single second for her to know who is the boss.
Well shes only spooked once in the past couple months so not too bad. Sometimes she will spook but just her head goes up and her body jolts for one sec in the exact same spot she was in, feet done move.

I have to be much harder on her when she spooks and tries to come into me.

When she spooked at cars it was big loud cars coming down the main road at the old barn. But it hasnt happened at the new barn (which is much quieter).
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One of the hardest things for some people to learn is not to coddle a spooking animal, dog or horse. Anytime you pet and talk in that soft voice, it is rewarding....whatever behavior came immediately before.

Just a random thought...
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Interesting read. Ive kept this set of notes in my collection to re-read.

12 Training Rules from the Horse’s Viewpoint:

If your horse could talk and you asked him how he’d like to be treated, he might answer something like this.

1 No breaking. Bend me, but don’t break me. Present me with simple lessons that I can master, and build on those. Don’t force me to change; invite me to change. Be calm and patient, and you will be amazed at what I will do for you.

2 Be clear. If you can tell me what you want me to do and I can do it, I will do it. If I don’t understand you, don’t punish me; ask me another way. I want to cooperate.

3 Treat me like a horse. I’m a horse and proud of it. Although we can be good friends, I’m not a person and I’m not your puppy, either.

4 Be flexible. I know you want me to master a certain action today, but cut me some slack if you see that I am distracted or tired or confused. Sometimes I need the reassurance of reviewing something simple that I already know.

5 Focus, please. You always ask me for my attention when we work together, so I’d like you to pay attention to what we are doing, too. Turn off the cell phone; forget about the sales contract on your desk or the fender bender your kid had or your recent medical results. Be here with me now, okay?

6 Set the scene for success. Since you know I am afraid of loose dogs or lawn mowers next to the arena, help me get over those fears first before you ask me to do something while those things are going on. Eventually, I’d like to be able to do anything, anytime, anywhere for you, but I have a lot of insecurities to overcome. With your help, we can do it.

7 Be consistent. When you are first asking me to do something, such as to put my head down so you can examine my ears, if you ask me the same way a few times in a row, I’ll get the idea and, hey, no problem. But if you work with me a few times and then let your friend Joe handle my ears, and he does it really differently, I may get startled and he may get angry. It is going to be harder for me to figure out what I should do. If you are consistent until you see that I’ve got it, then you can start varying and adding. If you take your time, you will be surprised at all the variations I can learn. If I have trouble catching on, you can always review the first way I learned, which is locked in. Just give me a starting point and be consistent—I like that.

8 Bond with me my way. I like to be rubbed on my forehead and my neck; that makes me relaxed and content. Don’t tickle the end of my nose or my flank or my belly, and please don’t slap me hard, thinking I like it. Just use firm, circular, rubbing motions and we’ll be buddies forever.

9 Take your time. When you are in a rush and move around me in a hurry, you smell anxious and I can sense your accelerated heart rate. Sometimes I get nervous and hyper, too. When you skip a step and ask me to do something new, sometimes I get lost and then can’t remember the simplest task. I like it best when you move smoothly around me, letting me know what you are doing and taking as much time as it takes for us to figure it out together.

10 Be optimistic. When you walk toward me, I can tell if you are expecting things to go well or badly. If you are projecting a smile, I feel positive about working with you. On those days when you are in a rush or anticipate problems, I pick up on that and tend to shift into defense mode, because given the choice, I’d rather flee than fight. If you’re happy, I’m happy.

11 Be fair and realistic. I really appreciate that you understand me, because then you won’t ask me to do something that I am not physically capable of doing. You’d never ask me to carry or pull too much weight. And you’d never ask me to cross an impassable bog or go down a dangerously steep cliff. As long as you treat me fairly and only ask me to do reasonable things, I will never refuse you.

12 Be objective. When you and I are working together, report what you see, not what you interpret. When the back cinch strap hits my hind legs and I raise my leg, realize it surprised me. Since I can’t see down there, my reflex is to kick at something that might be attacking my legs. Of course, when I have a minute to think about it, I realize that nothing is going to harm me, so I no longer lift my leg, but at first I just react. If you think, “Boy, you son of a gun, you are not going to kick at me!” and get mad at me, then we have a problem. Once you get to know me, you’ll understand why I do certain things and give me the benefit the doubt. In this way, you can help me overcome my fears.

Any you agree with the most and ones you dont?
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One of the hardest things for some people to learn is not to coddle a spooking animal, dog or horse. Anytime you pet and talk in that soft voice, it is rewarding....whatever behavior came immediately before.

Just a random thought...
Yes I learnd and realized this and have changed. But would you still correct or nip a horse in the bud who spooks but does NOT get in your space? Thats a tough one.
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Yes I learnd and realized this and have changed. But would you still correct or nip a horse in the bud who spooks but does NOT get in your space? Thats a tough one.
Not tough at all, Fergie was tied up in the barn the other day, someone came in through the door and she spooked in place..the person stood nearest to her was all "There there, it's OK" at the same time I was "QUIT THAT MARE"

I was close enough that she dos not need to be worrying about random stuff, so I get after her. All the "there there" person was doing was confirming that there was something to be worried about, and there wasn't,
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I was with them until they got to the concrete at the end of several of them... The we'll be buddies forever, I will never refuse you, and I want to cooperate. These things are really just not true, because we are talking about horses.....these are not companion animals, they are livestock.
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Not tough at all, Fergie was tied up in the barn the other day, someone came in through the door and she spooked in place..the person stood nearest to her was all "There there, it's OK" at the same time I was "QUIT THAT MARE"

I was close enough that she dos not need to be worrying about random stuff, so I get after her. All the "there there" person was doing was confirming that there was something to be worried about, and there wasn't,
In other words, the best thing to do when they spook is to not feel sorry for themselves.
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Best thing to do is ignore it, get after them but ignore what they're spooking at because it's usually something like a leaf.
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I was with them until they got to the concrete at the end of several of them... The we'll be buddies forever, I will never refuse you, and I want to cooperate. These things are really just not true, because we are talking about horses.....these are not companion animals, they are livestock.
Oh. So which ones do you agree that are valid?

Ive been reading more tonight and watching more Warwick videos. I watched one that I found rather interesting.Why? Cause (you will see) but this applies to me.

Now I know, you guys say to not lunge her anymore. But im wondering (after seeing Warwicks videos) about the importance of getting your horse to YIELD away to you before even moving on the lunge line (and according to him, this will solve and clean up other issues like horses that try to come into you uninvited). So im wondering if i should lunge my mare again. My mare is not perfect when it comes to NOT coming in uninvited but shes a lot better. And im wondering if this issue was a result of me not making her yield herself to me before sending her off the line for all the times ive lunged her in the past.

You know Im a bit bothered right now because im really dissapointed that not a single one of my past trainers brought this up with me in that i need to make my mare yield to me FIRST before she goes off on a line.

I will show you this video tomorrow morning (big file, need to upload it at work) and you assess and tell me if i should or not.

Its amazing what I pick up and how much Im able to pick up from watching videos.

I recorded it with my video camera playing off my computer. Turned out not too bad.

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