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post #1111 of 1323 Old 11-29-2015, 05:53 AM
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Agree completely with Dreamcatcher Arabians' suggestion about innovative applications of the seven games.
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I would not lunge any horse in that tiny round pen.

What makes you think she needs more muscle in her shoulders and front legs? Even if you lunge her for an hour EVERY day you are not going to build those up.

I agree with how you handled the possible biting....but if this has happened before, she MAY just have a ticklish spot. Soreness is usually easily replicated....and I would have given her a loud HEY!!! For swinging her head around and thinking about biting.
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Take her for walks if you want to, that's good for both of you. Yes, she will lose condition but it won't take her long to get it back in the spring. If you walk her a lot this winter, she won't lose that much.
Ok I will start to walk her again. I hope my mare wont see it as leading excersizes (cause they arent). Obviously depending on the temp, I might not be able to walk her as long as I did in the summer and fall. But Id say even if I get 10mins out of it, its better than nothing.

Walking is so good for both the walker and the horse. I wonder why more people dont do this?

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No, she doesn't need lunged anymore. She's done that to death. Play the 7 Parelli Games with her, use them in unique and challenging ways to make her think. For instance, the Squeeze Game. Do that in progressively narrower areas as she gets used to doing it. Use chairs, cones, trunks, ground poles, whatever you can find to make those "squeezes" for her to walk through, and do them backwards too, backing through an "L" on the ground is excellent for getting her attention and keeping her butt muscles tight. Take a tarp and hang it in different places and find ways to make it move and walk her past, under and through it. Then lay it on the ground and use it like a big puddle or pond and get her to walk on it. These are all things you can do with her, even in a barn aisle if need be.
Ok I wont lunge her anymore.

Yes the 7 games is what Ive been wanting to do with her! And for quite some time now. I have done 3 of the games with her about 4 months ago when I was with my previous trainer. We dont have a tarp at the barn so I would need to bring my own. And same with the big ball. I would love to eventually expose her to the big ball as I believe its a great object for horses to become familiar with.

If I was to bring my mare inbetween two obstacles, it would be jumping posts (which are at the barn). Theyre only about 2.5ft high, hope its tall enough.
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Yeah just relax she won't lose muscle that quickly and since shes so young its good for her to have a bit of a break. Enjoy your horse take her for long walks and just bond its really fun.
I think this winter will really help me just "live in the now" with my mare because when I got her last summer, (even though I just hung out with her for the first 4 or 5 days), for the most part, I was too focused on working her (which in this case was lunging and groundwork).

Im not proud of how much ground work and lunging ive done with her (the good thing is that they were short sessions, 10-15mins tops both sides). But we have moved on and onto better and more exciting things for my mare.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Ive never ever seen the point in lunging any horse for 20-30mins per side. I get dizzy, and bored as time goes on and the very first time I learned how to lunge (from my trainer in April when I didnt have my mare), she made me do it for an hour. It was a lot to take in and I was bored and dizzy when I was finished. It would have been much more beneficial had she taught me for 15-20mins, then do something else. See what im getting at?

It of course didnt help that my past two trainers at the old barn kept harping that I needed to "perfect" her groundwork and that she had so many holes in her groundwork from her previous owner that I must fill them before riding her, or else they will carry over to the saddle. YES, there is no doubt in my mind that my mare did have holes in her previous owners training. But they have been filled. I wont ever forget the very first lesson I did with my mare and my trainer at the old barn, we did 3 of the 7 Parelli games with ease.

Later in the lesson, my trainer did some sacking out by throwing the string around her legs. My mare freaked out and was panicking the whole time. Trainer kept on it, kept on it until she started to relax. I think we must have been at it for a good solid 10mins before she settled down and realized that my trainer wasnt out to kill her. Right then and there the trainer said, "you have some serious issues with your horses training that need to be addressed". It was that moment right then and there, when my mind primarily sunk into ground work.



For instance my last trainer, the one who has a program and claims every horse is tailored to her. remember him? yes the one who made me do 11 or 12 different ways of backing up my mare, 5 or 6 ways of lunging her, etc. His program was so over the top, I cant believe I wasted $300-400 on his lessons. Dont get me wrong, he was the trainer who taught me how to roundpen properly and he came into my mares training at a time where I desperately needed a trainer (a month after I got her). He was a saviour because he really did help turn the tie for my mare and I.

His lessons were two hours long and IMO that is WAY TOO LONG, but at the time I thought 2 hours was a benefit over 1 hour lessons (cause I find 1 hour ones to go by really fast). But again, its the same logic as when riding, shorter sessions the better and horses take in information better than done in short lessons.

He introduced me (and sold me one) to his stiff rope training halter, which was great for me when doing ground work with my mare. But after about 1.5 months now of going back to my mares nylon halter, I do believe the stiff rope halter has been retired and if I need to use a rope one again, I can use her soft rope halter. PS - my trainer now really hates the stiff rope halter I have and finds it unnesecary and way too harsh to use on any horse.

Its funny because at the old barn, everyone used rope halters for everything. At the new barn, everyone uses nylon lol.

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Yeah just relax she won't lose muscle that quickly and since shes so young its good for her to have a bit of a break. Enjoy your horse take her for long walks and just bond its really fun.
I think this winter will really help me just "live in the now" with my mare because when I got her last summer, (even though I just hung out with her for the first 4 or 5 days), for the most part, I was too focused on working her (which in this case was lunging and groundwork).

Im not proud of how much ground work and lunging ive done with her (the good thing is that they were short sessions, 10-15mins tops both sides). But we have moved on and onto better and more exciting things for my mare.

It of course didnt help that my past two trainers kept harping that I needed to "perfect" her groundwork and that she had so many holes in her groundwork from her previous owner that I must fill them before riding her, or else they will carry over to the saddle.

For instance my last trainer, the one who has a program and claims every horse is tailored to her. remember him? yes the one who made me do 11 or 12 different ways of backing up my mare, 5 or 6 ways of lunging her, etc. His program was so over the top, I cant believe I wasted $300-400 on his lessons. Dont get me wrong, he was the trainer who taught me how to roundpen properly and he came into my mares training at a time where I desperately needed a trainer (a month after I got her). He was a saviour because he really did help turn the tie for my mare and I.

His lessons were two hours long and IMO that is WAY TOO LONG, but at the time I thought 2 hours was a benefit over 1 hour lessons (cause I find 1 hour ones to go by really fast). But again, its the same logic as when riding, shorter sessions the better and horses take in information better than done in short lessons.

He introduced me (and sold me one) to his stiff rope training halter, which was great for me when doing ground work with my mare. But after about 1.5 months now of going back to my mares nylon halter, I do believe the stiff rope halter has been retired and if I need to use a rope one again, I can use her soft rope halter. PS - my trainer now really hates the stiff rope halter I have and finds it unnesecary and way too harsh to use on any horse.

Its funny because at the old barn, everyone used rope halters for everything. At the new barn, everyone uses nylon lol.
You learn from what you got. Be proud of where you are now! I have had 2 previous trainers 1 I am pretty sure scared the Holy Ghost out of my horse and the 2nd was South African and she was very tough, not in a I'm going to beat you but very do this now please. I recently just got a new one and I love her I have never seen my horse happier to work then he does with her which makes me happy in return.

You'll find as you go through that there are so many different ways of doing one thing you just have to find where you and your horse are most comfortable.


The rope halter it's quite common in my area and people prefer it over nylon halters but I don't think it's stiff ? Could be soft not sure haven't seen a difference.
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1. Walking is so good for both the walker and the horse. I wonder why more people dont do this?

2. If I was to bring my mare inbetween two obstacles, it would be jumping posts (which are at the barn). Theyre only about 2.5ft high, hope its tall enough.
1. Because people are lazy and they try to treat a horse like a motorcycle, only bring it out when they want to ride.

2. You can use anything handy, the jump posts are fine. Ground poles work too, it doesn't have to be something tall to "squeeze" the horse. If you walk her through a pattern made of ground poles and try to keep her in the poles and keep narrowing them down as she goes through, you'll get the same result as if you had a squeeze chute for cows. Folding chairs will work, but I'd introduce the game using something more solid and move to chairs and such once she understands the game. Here's an example:



Take your own tarp and find unusual places to hang/drape it and have her walk past it, under it and through it. Take a big ball out to the arena when no one is in it and introduce her to that and let her figure out how to play with it.
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I would not lunge any horse in that tiny round pen.

What makes you think she needs more muscle in her shoulders and front legs? Even if you lunge her for an hour EVERY day you are not going to build those up.

I agree with how you handled the possible biting....but if this has happened before, she MAY just have a ticklish spot. Soreness is usually easily replicated....and I would have given her a loud HEY!!! For swinging her head around and thinking about biting.
Well I could take a picture of her now with her added muscle but she has her winter coat on so she looks bigger than she really is.

The pic I posted from 3 months ago, clearly showed she needs more muscle on her front shoulders and legs. Even my massage therapist said so. The main reason Im wanting her to gain muscle on the front is so that she doesnt get lame again on her front left leg (thats where she has the lowest muscle tone).

Her muscle structure goes like an "X". Her strongest is her front right, 2nd strongest is her back left, third is back right and fourth is left front according to the therapist.

I dont think she has a ticklish spot. She cranked her head around to bite. Just like she was about to crank her HQ around to the therapist last week when she was feeling out her left HQ and the therapist had to jump back.

I didnt correct my mare or say anything loud because if I did touch a bad spot for her, then I need to back off and not go near it. But when the chiro comes out later today, I will know 100% if shes out somewhere or if she was just being a brat.
I do still strongly believe she could use an adjustment of some sort. I dont think my mare is that aggressive enough to crank her head around to bite without reason because she loves attention and she loves being brushed everywhere. She doesnt have a favourite spot.
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Hoof pic, did you ever find the Linda Tellington T-Touch exercises? She explains how to massage, get rid of sore spots, etc., in addition to the ground exercises. She may have stuff on YouTube.
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Hoof pic, did you ever find the Linda Tellington T-Touch exercises? She explains how to massage, get rid of sore spots, etc., in addition to the ground exercises. She may have stuff on YouTube.
No, never heard of her. I will check out her stuff. Thanks
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You learn from what you got. Be proud of where you are now! I have had 2 previous trainers 1 I am pretty sure scared the Holy Ghost out of my horse and the 2nd was South African and she was very tough, not in a I'm going to beat you but very do this now please. I recently just got a new one and I love her I have never seen my horse happier to work then he does with her which makes me happy in return.

You'll find as you go through that there are so many different ways of doing one thing you just have to find where you and your horse are most comfortable.


The rope halter it's quite common in my area and people prefer it over nylon halters but I don't think it's stiff ? Could be soft not sure haven't seen a difference.
Im very happy where we are now, all thanks to you guys.

I do think each horse has to be a good fit for the trainer. Some trainers teaching style just arent a good fit for certain horses. Your first trainer is totally like my very first trainer (before I got my mare). She is good to learn from but she is incredibly hard on her horses.

The past trainer was ok for a short term coach but long term he wasnt a fit at all. He pretty much taught his groundwork by working off a checklist and you do one excersize after another after another. Did I tell you about the last lesson that I did with him, he went through 17, yes 17 non stop groundd work excersizes with my mare in a span of 1.5 hours? That is a lot of information for any horse to take in! My previous trainer would do 3-5 max.

And he preached I do those 17 excersizes with my mare every second day until she has each one perfected and that he was going to come out and see me again in 2 weeks. It was this lesson after the 17 excersizes, that it hit me that he wasnt the right coach for me and my mare. After this lesson, I did NOT continue on with his 17 excersizes at all and I think this was when I started posting on here more often for advice. Im still kicking myself for putting my mare through that because a lot of the stuff was pointless!

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