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post #1121 of 1323 Old 11-29-2015, 11:44 AM Thread Starter
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1. Because people are lazy and they try to treat a horse like a motorcycle, only bring it out when they want to ride.

2. You can use anything handy, the jump posts are fine. Ground poles work too, it doesn't have to be something tall to "squeeze" the horse. If you walk her through a pattern made of ground poles and try to keep her in the poles and keep narrowing them down as she goes through, you'll get the same result as if you had a squeeze chute for cows. Folding chairs will work, but I'd introduce the game using something more solid and move to chairs and such once she understands the game. Here's an example:



Take your own tarp and find unusual places to hang/drape it and have her walk past it, under it and through it. Take a big ball out to the arena when no one is in it and introduce her to that and let her figure out how to play with it.
Im gonna go buy a tarp and ball today. Hopefully anything from a standard outdoor camping store will do.

Not sure what kind of balls those big ones are but Im guessing theyre yoga balls? Will that work? Im always worried about using something too weak and it will burst.

Yes, we have those poles at the barn, lots of them!

So you think I can start her off walking her through poles on the ground like in the pic? Dumb question but shouldnt the person always still be by the horses side (as if theyre leading them) the whole time leading them through the poles?

Chiro got rescheduled to Tues night, she cant make it out today. Thats ok, I guess I wont brush her today when I go see her. Will do other stuff.

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Im gonna go buy a tarp and ball today. Hopefully anything from a standard outdoor camping store will do.

Not sure what kind of balls those big ones are but Im guessing theyre yoga balls? Will that work? Im always worried about using something too weak and it will burst.

Yes, we have those poles at the barn, lots of them!

So you think I can start her off walking her through poles on the ground like in the pic? Dumb question but shouldnt the person always still be by the horses side (as if theyre leading them) the whole time leading them through the poles?

Chiro got rescheduled to Tues night, she cant make it out today. Thats ok, I guess I wont brush her today when I go see her. Will do other stuff.

The big balls are really expensive, I don't know if the yoga ones are sturdy enough or not. 1000# horse is a lot different than a 200# human. Maybe wait on buying the ball until you run out of other things to do or start small with a Jolly Ball made for horses.

The idea with the poles is, walk her through the poles, however you want to do it. I don't necessarily lead by their shoulder all the time, sometimes I want them to just follow me. Eventually, you will want to drive her through with you behind, sending her forward through them. When you're backing her, you have to be in front of her and steer her so she doesn't step on or over the poles. Once she goes through the poles well, then you narrow them down and create the "squeeze" effect. Look for narrow place to walk her through when you're doing this game. I have a skinny little space between my trailer and the feed barn the most of the time is just big enough for a horse to walk through by itself without bumping anything or losing any hair. It's one of my favorite place to send them through when we've worked on the game awhile. If they will go through there, with or without a tarp creating a "roof", then they'll pretty much load into any trailer without a fuss. It teaches them to not be quite so claustrophobic and it teaches them to trust your judgement when asking them to go into a place they wouldn't want to normally. You can lead at first, but the goal is to be able to send them through on their own (precursor to teaching them to self load into a trailer).

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The big balls are really expensive, I don't know if the yoga ones are sturdy enough or not. 1000# horse is a lot different than a 200# human. Maybe wait on buying the ball until you run out of other things to do or start small with a Jolly Ball made for horses.

The idea with the poles is, walk her through the poles, however you want to do it. I don't necessarily lead by their shoulder all the time, sometimes I want them to just follow me. Eventually, you will want to drive her through with you behind, sending her forward through them. When you're backing her, you have to be in front of her and steer her so she doesn't step on or over the poles. Once she goes through the poles well, then you narrow them down and create the "squeeze" effect. Look for narrow place to walk her through when you're doing this game. I have a skinny little space between my trailer and the feed barn the most of the time is just big enough for a horse to walk through by itself without bumping anything or losing any hair. It's one of my favorite place to send them through when we've worked on the game awhile. If they will go through there, with or without a tarp creating a "roof", then they'll pretty much load into any trailer without a fuss. It teaches them to not be quite so claustrophobic and it teaches them to trust your judgement when asking them to go into a place they wouldn't want to normally. You can lead at first, but the goal is to be able to send them through on their own (precursor to teaching them to self load into a trailer).
Ok I just messaged my old trainer at the old barn, asking where to get that ball they have in their arena. Im almost certain its a yogaball but its very sturdy and they use it all the time with the horses. You're right, no point getting a cheap one and risk it popping.

When you say, eventually you want me to drive her forward with me behind her. You mean by her HQ right? And obviously with halter and lead still on?

This sounds like a lot of fun. The only thing is, I gaurentee I will most likely have to do this on a weekday night with her since the arena is used on weekends by my trainer. Night time = super dark inside. Uhh wish our barn had much better lighting inside, its just so dark in there at night even with the lights on. Its enough but barely. This is why i wear my headlamp - best $20 ever spent

I will hold off on the ball for now but I will go buy a tarp today.

Oh and my mare loves the small jolly balls. We have some hanging in the barn isles and she will play and chew on it.
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A couple more things I would like to mention.

So Im shopping for riding boots and because my mare has already crunched my baby toes a couple times (that gets me 3-4 weeks in sandles before i can wear any shoe again), my trainer suggested I get steel toes. I need to do something about this right now because I just cant risk having a broken toe. Im very VERY lucky this hasnt been the case yet.

The first time my mare crunched my toe, I was dead set on getting a pair of steel toes. But then I read online that people said not to because the metal can get pushed into your foot if they step on it again. I asked my trainer last night and she said that the chances of this are very slim and shes never heard of this happen before. She said I can look into steel toe riding boots if I wanted.

The fact is I want to get steel toes if they are ok to wear and the chance of having metal pushed into my foot are very small.

I would probably pick up riding boots and steel toe barn boots because even though I would love to keep the number of boots in my car to a minimum, Im not sure how id feel about steel toes when in the saddle cause of the extra weight.

Also, my very first trainer (the one who I learned from before getting my mare), I do still keep in touch with her every now and then. She is a great person and even though I only saw her for a couple months (but was seeing her twice a week), to work with her horses, I still have learned a lot from her. I was crazy, I drove 55km each way to see her and learn from her. That is far!

The last time I talked to her (3 months ago), she said Im more than welcome to go see her again whenever I like for another lesson. The last time I saw her was in May. Now the thing is, obviously I wont have my mare with me, but would there be any benefit in seeing her one more time and doing a lesson with her? I do really like her as a person, even though I have a trainer now, I feel that she is a person I should keep in touch with over time.

I would love to go see her and visit her horses again. But she is very busy and I dont think she would really welcome me over to just "visit" if Im not paying her for a lesson.

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Muck boots makes a steel toed barn boot. I wear those and they aren't heavy at all. For riding I wear a western boot but not steel toed, just good heavy leather. I also prefer a good lace up to a pull on but that's personal preference. Most steel toed boots are going to withstand a lot more pressure than a horse will put on you.

I don't know what you'd hope to gain by going to this past trainer? I have always felt that picking one trainer and sticking with them until you have learned all you can from that one is better than trying to go with more than one and getting conflicting information.
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I forgot to say anything about the "driving her forward" part of your post. Yes, I mean by her HQ and in the beginning with halter and lead still on. Once you get her to doing that well, then a new challenge for both of you is to transition to liberty and having control of her with your body language and doing it without a lead line on her, or in this case it would be a longer driving line.
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Muck boots makes a steel toed barn boot. I wear those and they aren't heavy at all. For riding I wear a western boot but not steel toed, just good heavy leather. I also prefer a good lace up to a pull on but that's personal preference. Most steel toed boots are going to withstand a lot more pressure than a horse will put on you.

I don't know what you'd hope to gain by going to this past trainer? I have always felt that picking one trainer and sticking with them until you have learned all you can from that one is better than trying to go with more than one and getting conflicting information.
Ok, so you're saying steel toes is safe? And I shouldnt be worried about the metal coming into my foot? Is that why your barn boots are steel toes, to save your toes?

Im not sure what I would gain by visiting my past trainer. Probably nothing Just to visit and say hi I guess. The knowledge that Ive gained since I last saw her is immense.
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I would not go back to the other trainer.....what if she tells you that everyone on the Horse Forum is a idiot, and wants to know why you would believe OUR dribble??? THEN what are you going to do?
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Ok, so you're saying steel toes is safe? And I shouldnt be worried about the metal coming into my foot? Is that why your barn boots are steel toes, to save your toes?

Im not sure what I would gain by visiting my past trainer. Probably nothing Just to visit and say hi I guess. The knowledge that Ive gained since I last saw her is immense.
Nope don't worry about it. A) She's not likely to come down fully on just your toes to crush that steel. B) Those toes are built to have something really heavy dropped on them and not crush. I wouldn't worry a bit. The one thing I can complain about is if I don't wear a heavy wool sock, I do find those boots get colder in bad weather than non-steel toes do. But, I'm a cold wimp, so I whine when it gets down to freezing anyhow.

Yes, that's why I wear them, though they wouldn't have made any difference in the crush accident that I had, that was over my arch and the top of my FOOT not my toes.

If you want to visit, go visit and maybe watch her do some training but I wouldn't spend anymore money on lessons. If you don't think she'd welcome you just to drop in, 55 km in the winter is a lot longer than 55 km in the summer.
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Ok, so you're saying steel toes is safe? And I shouldnt be worried about the metal coming into my foot? Is that why your barn boots are steel toes, to save your toes?

Im not sure what I would gain by visiting my past trainer. Probably nothing Just to visit and say hi I guess. The knowledge that Ive gained since I last saw her is immense.
My ex-common law husband/co-owner of one of my mare's always wears steal toe boots. Unless he's riding, but otherwise always wearing steal toes. He has for years without issue - thankfully because my other mare who I swear hates him for whatever reason has a habit of stepping on his feet

Personally I don't feel like they're necessary (in most cases), but they certainly won't hurt anything IMO.
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