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post #1131 of 1323 Old 11-29-2015, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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I would not go back to the other trainer.....what if she tells you that everyone on the Horse Forum is a idiot, and wants to know why you would believe OUR dribble??? THEN what are you going to do?
Ok I wont see her. Theres just no benefit in seeing her other than talking.
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Nope don't worry about it. A) She's not likely to come down fully on just your toes to crush that steel. B) Those toes are built to have something really heavy dropped on them and not crush. I wouldn't worry a bit. The one thing I can complain about is if I don't wear a heavy wool sock, I do find those boots get colder in bad weather than non-steel toes do. But, I'm a cold wimp, so I whine when it gets down to freezing anyhow.

Yes, that's why I wear them, though they wouldn't have made any difference in the crush accident that I had, that was over my arch and the top of my FOOT not my toes.

If you want to visit, go visit and maybe watch her do some training but I wouldn't spend anymore money on lessons. If you don't think she'd welcome you just to drop in, 55 km in the winter is a lot longer than 55 km in the summer.
Ok ill look for steel toe boots then :)

Im not going to see my old trainer, just no point really. Maybe if im in the area i can swing by but not really worth making a special trip over especially in winter and with how busy I already am.

I guess if I really want to continue observing others doing groundwork with their horses, it will have to be with Warwicks videos or youtube.
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Yup, and save the money you'd spend on gas or other lessons with a 2nd trainer to pay for some clinics in spring and summer. They are a lot of fun with or without your own horse. It's a lot cheaper to audit than to be in the clinic itself, so if you want to go to several, I'd audit and make a nice weekend away to several nice places.
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Yup, and save the money you'd spend on gas or other lessons with a 2nd trainer to pay for some clinics in spring and summer. They are a lot of fun with or without your own horse. It's a lot cheaper to audit than to be in the clinic itself, so if you want to go to several, I'd audit and make a nice weekend away to several nice places.
What do you mean by audit? Watch?

I definitely plan on attending some clinics next year. Im very much looking forward to the experience.

I got to the barn today and found out the trainer wasnt teaching today and the arena was free. I was so happy, knew today wasnt a better time to setup the logs and introduce her to the tarp.

I wasnt quite sure how to set them up. Unfortunately, we dont have a ton of logs, about maybe 12 total. It takes a long time to setup lol, these logs are heavy. I always wonder (even at the old barn) how so few people are into stuff like this. Im guessing theyre too lazy to setup?

Yes it takes a lot longer to setup and tare down than the amount of time your horse is actually in it lol.

Ignore the orange cones, those were left there from yesterdays lesson, me doing the 20m circles lol.

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I lead her through the obstacles with me on the outside of the logs and just leading her as usual. Weaved her through the poles in a snake like figure. Then the 2nd time I did the same, but I gave more slack on the leads around on the poles and let her go about them on her own with me directing the lead ahead. Then after that I moved the logs in much narrower (about 1/2 the width and then did a few more circles, even went in both directions. As we would hit the last pole, we would circle back and go the direction we came from.

The whole time I was just going about it like normal, I wasnt nervous at all, I wasnt super comforting to my mare saying "its ok, easy, easy"...but about the 2nd lap going around, (Im not sure what it was) but I just had this feeling, something my mare was telling me that she was enjoying it. (REMEMBER: According to her previous owner, obstacles is what she enjoys the most as it keeps her mind stimulated. She likes to have her mind stimulated.) She was relaxed and the first time I brought her into the logs, she was sniffing the ground (is that good?)

After that, I brought her up to the tarp. When I laid it down, I first though "whats the best way going about this?" lol then I quickly flashed back to when we desentized her to the flagstick.

First I got her to sniff it, and of course she snorted (as expected).

I then walked her past the tarp about 4 times with me leading her so that I was inbetween the tarp and her. I just lead normally, didnt look at the tarp, nothing different. Then I let her sniff it again. NOTE: Obviously me letting her sniff it is suppose to be mimicking me rubbing the object on her body (which I did with the flag stick), but I felt there was no way I could rub this large tarp on her right away, she would freak out.

Then I put her between the tarp and me and did 3 or 4 circles around the tarp. She was fine with this, she wasnt bothered by the tarp being right by her legs and she didnt look at it. Let her sniff again.

Then I walked her again but this time I walked on the tarp (so she can hear the sound). I just walked about normally. She was fine. Did this a few times.

Then I walked again but with her heading towards the tarp and she wouldnt go on it. She stopped right when we got to it, she sniffed and went around it. Thats ok! I didnt want to try again, so instead we just ran through the obstacles one more time to leave things on a good note.

Whole time was about 25mins? Tarp work was about 10?

I felt it was a good first time exposure for her to the tarp! We can build from here.

I think people at the barn were shocked about me setting all that up (Im not lazy!!!). There were a few in the barn who were getting ready to ride and another saw me with the tarp (and the BO saw as well) probably a bit surprised cause I dont think desentizing to the tarp is very popular at barns. Again, you have to be all into this liberty training and obstacle desentizing (which I am) and most people arent. Most just want to ride, thats it.

During the whole time, I said "good girl" after each time my mare would sniff the tarp or we would finish a lap around the obstacles, or we would walk past the tarp and she was cool with it. I just said good girl, I didnt overly praise her, I didnt stop and scratch and rub her over and over telling her "its ok, its ok" (what I would do in the past) cause I remembered me being told (I think by you guys) that I need to just go about things like normal and the more comforting I try to do with her, it will only make her nervous. Do you think I did this right?

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After we were done, I gave her her hay cubes but Im not sure whats up. The past few times she didnt seem overly crazy about eating them, she wouldnt finish it, which is rare! I have a stong feeling its the minerals I put in. Cause when I didnt put the minerals in, she would gobble up the cubes.

Im not even putting much minerals in at all (if anything Im underserving them) as Im only putting in 1table spoon. I crush and mix everything really well so she cant see the mineral powder. Itll be a shame if I cant get her to take in the minerals :(.

Next time I will not put any powder in and she how she is. If she gobbles it up, then its 100% the minerals.

After this was done, I took her for a walk and let her graze a bit.

Now when I go halter her, shes expecting a treat in my hand in exchange for her lowering her head lol. Today I didnt have one (forgot it).
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About her not finishing the hay cubes, its either 1 of 3 things.

1) She doesnt like them mashed up and crushed
2) I put too much water when soaking.
3) The minerals.

I try to not put too much water but also if I put too little, when she eats it, you can tell its super dry lol. Its like her eating mollasses cubes. So have some water in there and it at least adds some moisture.

My guess is shes probably not super crazy about my mashing the cubes,but thats the best way I can disguise the minerals. She probably much prefers the texture of a whole cub in her mouth vs a bunch of mash.

When I first gave them to her, I never crushed the cubes but i also never had minerals in them. But I still soaked them, just not overly. She gobbled them up like candy.

As for her working on the tarp. Something tells me that I should be OVER PRAISING HER and making a scene of it as she gets used to the tarp. What do you think?
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There are several ways to handle the tarp, but you cannot be in hurry, and NEVER think to yourself, "ARGGG, she's never going to get this!" Just keep repeating, calmly....

You can do circles until she accidentally steps on it.

You can walk up, back up, walk up, back up, etc., until she gets ONE foot on it, then STOP, and just let her stand. Then walk forward so that all of her feet are on it.

You can back her on to it, or cut across the corner.

That is good that you forgot the treats!

Horses bodies regulate their mineral intake naturally...if she won't eat them, she may not NEED them.
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There are several ways to handle the tarp, but you cannot be in hurry, and NEVER think to yourself, "ARGGG, she's never going to get this!" Just keep repeating, calmly....
no I wasnt in a hurry, I took my time and calmly. But I also wanted to make sure I didnt drag the lesson on too long.

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You can do circles until she accidentally steps on it.
I thought about this but worried she would spook and guess what direction shes heading? Mine.

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You can walk up, back up, walk up, back up, etc., until she gets ONE foot on it, then STOP, and just let her stand. Then walk forward so that all of her feet are on it.

You can back her on to it, or cut across the corner.
But the question is, how do you get her to step on it? I cant force her. This is why I tried to walk on it myself a few times and hope she sees that nothing bad happens and the sound it makes is nothing harmful.

I know if anything the tarp is not an overnight fix. I remember one of the boarders at the old barn was doing this exact same thing with his gelding (3 yrs old) and after 3 lessons, he still has completely got his gelding ok with it.

Like I said, I cant describe it but I just got this vibe that she really enjoyed the obstacles. Even when I brought her into the barn and tied her, I already had everything set up, she immediately looked around and stared at all the objects spread out.

Dream - I saw the big ball that another boarder has and uses on her mare. It was sitting in the arena when I got here (but she took it out when I got in). Its just a cheap ball that a toddler would play with. Theres no way it can handle any weight at all. Its definitely not robust or anything near as strong as a yoga ball. Im shocked she would let her mare play with it. Its something you would find in a babyroom, not a horse barn. They could pop that thing by just kicking it. If it was me, I definitely would find a much strong and safer ball to use around my mare.

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That is good that you forgot the treats!

Horses bodies regulate their mineral intake naturally...if she won't eat them, she may not NEED them.
Well I still gave her treats. I gave her a treat after the first lap around the obstacles and a couple more (which she ate from her feed tray) before going out of the barn and a couple more after I put her back in the field. Ive been trying the same when I unhalter her as when I halter her, to lower her head but IMO i might not need her to lower her head when unhaltered because shes small and im tall.
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Sorry I missed a few pages. We just got the yoga ball from Kmart.
About groundwork at the moment I am doing quite a bit even though my horse is rideable because I am waiting for his fitted saddle ($1500 sad face). There's nothing wrong with it if it has a purpose and I have had lessons that go for 2 hours, actually I had one this morning but honestly we talk a lot.

At the moment I am doing something called straightness training by marike de jong.

I found with my new instructor she really understands my TB and how he really tries but if he can't he gets a bit hysterical...

I attached a photo of my TB and his yoga ball although he wasn't impressed.
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Oh really! Totally didnt know this, thanks for bringing it up with me. Is packed snow as bad (if not worse) than packed mud in the hooves?

We've only had 3-5cm of snow the past 48 hours (and didnt snow today, already starting to melt) so its not too too bad. When I checked them yesterday, it was mostly just dirt and mud in her hooves. Shes getting a trim done this Sat morning so I will see how it is again then.

What kind of tradition to you think I could start with my mare? Im still thinking what I can do with her. I will forsure get some peppermint candies and put them on top of the kick cookies. Maybe just give her a few of those, put some apples and carrots in her feed bucket and hang out and brush her.
Packed snow can be bad. If you just keep packing it and packing it, it eventually becomes solid. Then the horse is walking around all wobbly.

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This is a picture I pulled from google. Again...this is NOT my horse or any horse I know! The thing seems to have a few more issues than just packed snow...but it's a good illustration of walking around on "ice balls."
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