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post #1181 of 1323 Old 12-01-2015, 03:45 PM
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Just putting my 2 cents worth in you should have at least once watched your trainer actually training you mare. Made a surprise visit I know that sounds paranoid but that's what I would do.
I know and would have but I couldnt because of work. Am I curious as to where my mare is in the saddle? Of course. But I will have to wait til the Spring to see with my own eyes....UNLESS of course my trainer feels that I have progressed enough through the winter as a rider and I get on my mare in the winter.

I have a feeling I will at least ride my mare ONCE before the winter ends. Even if its just a basic walk, woah, stand. I do not expect to be full trotting my mare around 20m circles anytime soon. Though I did really well this past Sat on the lesson mare, I have high expectations for myself and want to get myself better.

Thats 4-4.5 months for me to really work on it, so Im confident I can become a good enough rider before winter is over!

Im still only riding once a week (on weekends) and thats fine by me. Thankfully I learn very fast and I retain information really really well, but am wanting to do twice a week. Its just hard because during the week my trainer, for the most part is mainly there in the day times and not a lot of days where she is there later at night and jesus does she have a lot of clients! She is very busy.

I have time off during Christmas and plan on picking it up (need to check on her availability though).

Obviously weather is a factor as well. -15 and colder and they dont do lessons, so I might have to expect at least a few weeks in the winter of not riding at all.

Hard to believe, but Ive only had 5 riding lessons so far with her but I have made great progress so far.
I understand just thought I would throw that in there maybe in spring you could make a surprise visit!
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I would ask her to ride her on a weekend when you could watch. You need to know what she has done with her. She could ride your mare and give you a lesson at the same time.
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Thanks. He had been on field/stall rest for 5 months due to an ankle injury.

I did take him out hand grazing, in my opinion it was way too soon to let him hand graze as initial training was not complete yet. He fell into very bad habits.

I did not want him to pick bites during the videoing, and corrected him each time.

He had a second injury to the same RF ankle/leg in May and was off work until September 2015. All together over a year off. I think we regressed below our starting point. LOL
Oh too bad about him getting injured. Setbacks always suck and expensive. Before that lesson, he was never exposed to the bridge? Thats great you did all that in just 1 lesson.

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I understand just thought I would throw that in there maybe in spring you could make a surprise visit!
I think its a good idea. Anticipation has been killing me.

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I would ask her to ride her on a weekend when you could watch. You need to know what she has done with her. She could ride your mare and give you a lesson at the same time.
Ok but what do I say when she says "why do you want me to ride?" Obviously I want to see where my mare is at, but dont want my trainer to feel Im doubting her ability to train my mare.
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Thanks. He had been on field/stall rest for 5 months due to an ankle injury.

I did take him out hand grazing, in my opinion it was way too soon to let him hand graze as initial training was not complete yet. He fell into very bad habits.

I did not want him to pick bites during the videoing, and corrected him each time.

He had a second injury to the same RF ankle/leg in May and was off work until September 2015. All together over a year off. I think we regressed below our starting point. LOL
Oh too bad about him getting injured. Setbacks always suck and expensive. Before that lesson, he was never exposed to the bridge? Thats great you did all that in just 1 lesson.

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I understand just thought I would throw that in there maybe in spring you could make a surprise visit!
I think its a good idea. Anticipation has been killing me.

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I would ask her to ride her on a weekend when you could watch. You need to know what she has done with her. She could ride your mare and give you a lesson at the same time.
Ok but what do I say when she says "why do you want me to ride?" Obviously I want to see where my mare is at, but dont want my trainer to feel Im doubting her ability to train my mare.
Just say you'd like to see her progress or that you'd like to see her in action.
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Just say you'd like to see her progress or that you'd like to see her in action.
This one sounds like a good reason :)
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Just say you'd like to see her progress or that you'd like to see her in action.
This one sounds like a good reason :)
You shouldn't really need a reason to watch her ride your horse I mean you're paying her to train your horse and you want to see results. I do understand though why you want some backup if she does ask why.
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You shouldn't really need a reason to watch her ride your horse I mean you're paying her to train your horse and you want to see results.
Exactly. It's her job. I get a performance review every 6 months at my job. Why should a trainer be any different? It seems to me like you might be anticipating a confrontation, one in which you don't want. Nothing wrong with that, but just change your mindset..I know it can be easier said than done. You hired her. Technically, she is working for you.
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You shouldn't really need a reason to watch her ride your horse I mean you're paying her to train your horse and you want to see results. I do understand though why you want some backup if she does ask why.
Good point.
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Well I had the chiro out tonight. We ended up talking for almost another hour just on saddle fitting (she does saddle fitting as well).

Ill go more in detail about what the chiro and I talked about tomorow as Im off to bed here (I learned a lot).

First off, I think with my trainer saying how shes not going to ride her for the winter is a blessing in disguise because if she didnt suggest this to me this past weekend, I would probably be telling her not to. Why? Read on.

Second, I know before I said that I wasnt going to get a saddle fitter when I get a saddle for my mare. But when I think of it now, Im going to go this route. Why? Read on (and itll most likely be the lady I saw tonight).

So I brought my mare in. She was pretty good with the chiro (bit testy feely at first like she was with the massager the very first time) but the chiro said she was cooperative.

I wont go on and on in too much detail so here is the rundown.

1) She was out on her poll - right side was higher than the left. Chiro adjusted it successfully.

2) Withers felt locked on both withers but more on the left. Chiro adjusted it successfully. My mare pinned her ears back when she was doing this. DING DING DING! This is exactly where my mare pinned her ears to me last Sunday! I knew it, her withers were tight! Chiro said they felt really locked up! But after adjusted them successfully, she said she should feel night and day better.

3) Top line (both left and right but more so to the left) was tight from the wither to the loin. Chiro massaged this for a bit, but this is where my massage therapist will really come into play again. Chiro (just like the massage therapist did as well) suggested I did the belly presses to get her top line up as it will get my mare to raise her gut.

4) Left loin was tight, not overly, just moderate (as the massager said as well).
She said she couldnt tell if the left loin was tight or just fatigued.

5) 2 ribs on her left were out. Both adjusted really well. Ribs being out, this happens from being ridden? Is this common? Remember, my ex's mare had a rib out as well and was night and day better when she had it adjusted.

6) She was a bit tight on the left neck when flexing laterally to the left. After the poll was adjusted, she flexed much better. Her neck was adjusted really well on both sides.

Chiro said:

My mare is low on the front,
(will need to find out more on what this means exactly), she said something about how when horses who are low on the front are ridden, they mostly put the weight of the rider on their front end, etc something like that? She says I need to get the top line up in training. She said its a great idea and perfect timing that shes not going to be ridden for the winter.

Now here is the kicker!!!!

Before she did all this, the very VERY first thing she got me to do was put the saddle on her (didnt even do it all up, no pad under either, just put it on her).

She said that the saddle my trainer has been used (which is the same saddle I use on the other mare Ive been riding) is not a good fit. "It looks like it fits really well when you throw it on". She ran her hands and fingers along underneath the sides starting at the gullet and towards the back and pointed out a couple spots that were really tight on my mare - on her wither and one point around the centre of her back. While just inbetween these two spots had a space gap and very little to no contact.

I told her that my trainer put it on and said it was a really good fit. Not a perfect fit but a good enough fit that shes not in any discomfort.

Well, lets just say that when the chiro tonight pointed out that the saddle isnt a good fit on my mare, I was really dissapointed because my trainer said it was a good fit. So two ends of the spectrum here. Now, dont get me wrong...Im not going to hold any grudges against my trainer, shes not a saddle fitter, even she said it the very first time we tried a saddle on my mare that shes not an expert on saddle fitting and the BO is much more knowledgable on it and the person to ask.

Let me ask you guys: If you were in my shoes, would you be in any way upset or dissapointed in my trainer because she made the wrong call on this saddle?

The reason, Im a bit upset (not nessecarily at her) is because, her withers being locked up and her having the sore spots (left loin, withers, topline being tight, neck to the left bit tight) is Id say 99.9% (pretty much almost certain) its from the saddle.

The good news (as both the chiro talked about this) is that thankfully my trainer only rode her 3 times a week in that saddle for the 6 weeks she rode her and not 5 days a week, cause she would be even more sore.

Also, the chiro said that she is confident she will heal up quickly and nothing to worry about. She feels its very likely from the saddle.

The reason I say its from the saddle is because these sore spots didnt show up until 3 weeks ago or so (just before I had my massager therapist out). It was my mare who was telling me when I would brush her she was sore. Thats how I knew.

So I kept her contact and told her that I would like for her to come with me to the stores when shopping for a saddle for her (which will be before spring). She said shes more than fine with this. Thoughts on me paying her to help me shop for a saddle? Like I was telling her tonight. I dont know saddles and I would rather pay someone who is much more knowledgable than me in coming along with me (of course this will all be a learning experience for me), and do it right than have to make trips back and fourth trying on saddle after saddle after saddle. Do it right and save me the time and trips here and there.

PS - I will go more in detail about what the chiro and I talked about tonight for saddle possibilities. I was taking notes!

What are your thoughts?

Im trying my best not to hold this saddle "not fitting" against my trainer. Is it her fault? Im not sure. Shouldn't trainers know basic saddle fitting? At least being able to determine a good fit from a bad fit? Perhaps. Would this be seen as a negative experience, perhaps even a red flag held up and remembered on my trainer? You tell me. Im not sure if I have confidence in my trainer saddle fitting my mare for when I find saddles to try on. Would you?

Whats your thoughts?

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Well I had the chiro out tonight. We ended up talking for almost another hour just on saddle fitting (she does saddle fitting as well).

Ill go more in detail about what the chiro and I talked about tomorow as Im off to bed here (I learned a lot).

First off, I think with my trainer saying how shes not going to ride her for the winter is a blessing in disguise because if she didnt suggest this to me this past weekend, I would probably be telling her not to. Why? Read on.

Second, I know before I said that I wasnt going to get a saddle fitter when I get a saddle for my mare. But when I think of it now, Im going to go this route. Why? Read on (and itll most likely be the lady I saw tonight).

So I brought my mare in. She was pretty good with the chiro (bit testy feely at first like she was with the massager the very first time) but the chiro said she was cooperative.

I wont go on and on in too much detail so here is the rundown.

1) She was out on her poll - right side was higher than the left. Chiro adjusted it successfully.

2) Withers felt locked on both withers but more on the left. Chiro adjusted it successfully. My mare pinned her ears back when she was doing this. DING DING DING! This is exactly where my mare pinned her ears to me last Sunday! I knew it, her withers were tight! Chiro said they felt really locked up! But after adjusted them successfully, she said she should feel night and day better.

3) Top line (both left and right but more so to the left) was tight from the wither to the loin. Chiro massaged this for a bit, but this is where my massage therapist will really come into play again. Chiro (just like the massage therapist did as well) suggested I did the belly presses to get her top line up as it will get my mare to raise her gut.

4) Left loin was tight, not overly, just moderate (as the massager said as well).
She said she couldnt tell if the left loin was tight or just fatigued.

5) 2 ribs on her left were out. Both adjusted really well. Ribs being out, this happens from being ridden? Is this common? Remember, my ex's mare had a rib out as well and was night and day better when she had it adjusted.

6) She was a bit tight on the left neck when flexing laterally to the left. After the poll was adjusted, she flexed much better. Her neck was adjusted really well on both sides.

Chiro said:

My mare is low on the front,
(will need to find out more on what this means exactly), she said something about how when horses who are low on the front are ridden, they mostly put the weight of the rider on their front end, etc something like that? She says I need to get the top line up in training. She said its a great idea and perfect timing that shes not going to be ridden for the winter.

Now here is the kicker!!!!

Before she did all this, the very VERY first thing she got me to do was put the saddle on her (didnt even do it all up, no pad under either, just put it on her).

She said that the saddle my trainer has been used (which is the same saddle I use on the other mare Ive been riding) is not a good fit. "It looks like it fits really well when you throw it on". She ran her hands and fingers along underneath the sides starting at the gullet and towards the back and pointed out a couple spots that were really tight on my mare - on her wither and one point around the centre of her back. While just inbetween these two spots had a space gap and very little to no contact.

I told her that my trainer put it on and said it was a really good fit. Not a perfect fit but a good enough fit that shes not in any discomfort.

Well, lets just say that when the chiro tonight pointed out that the saddle isnt a good fit on my mare, I was really dissapointed because my trainer said it was a good fit. So two ends of the spectrum here. Now, dont get me wrong...Im not going to hold any grudges against my trainer, shes not a saddle fitter, even she said it the very first time we tried a saddle on my mare that shes not an expert on saddle fitting and the BO is much more knowledgable on it and the person to ask.

Let me ask you guys: If you were in my shoes, would you be in any way upset or dissapointed in my trainer because she made the wrong call on this saddle?

The reason, Im a bit upset (not nessecarily at her) is because, her withers being locked up and her having the sore spots (left loin, withers, topline being tight, neck to the left bit tight) is Id say 99.9% (pretty much almost certain) its from the saddle.

The good news (as both the chiro talked about this) is that thankfully my trainer only rode her 3 times a week in that saddle for the 6 weeks she rode her and not 5 days a week, cause she would be even more sore.

Also, the chiro said that she is confident she will heal up quickly and nothing to worry about. She feels its very likely from the saddle.

The reason I say its from the saddle is because these sore spots didnt show up until 3 weeks ago or so (just before I had my massager therapist out). It was my mare who was telling me when I would brush her she was sore. Thats how I knew.

So I kept her contact and told her that I would like for her to come with me to the stores when shopping for a saddle for her (which will be before spring). She said shes more than fine with this. Thoughts on me paying her to help me shop for a saddle? Like I was telling her tonight. I dont know saddles and I would rather pay someone who is much more knowledgable than me in coming along with me (of course this will all be a learning experience for me), and do it right than have to make trips back and fourth trying on saddle after saddle after saddle. Do it right and save me the time and trips here and there.

PS - I will go more in detail about what the chiro and I talked about tonight for saddle possibilities. I was taking notes!

What are your thoughts?

Im trying my best not to hold this saddle "not fitting" against my trainer. Is it her fault? Im not sure. Shouldn't trainers know basic saddle fitting? At least being able to determine a good fit from a bad fit? Perhaps. Would this be seen as a negative experience, perhaps even a red flag held up and remembered on my trainer? You tell me. Im not sure if I have confidence in my trainer saddle fitting my mare for when I find saddles to try on. Would you?

Whats your thoughts?
Nope, you want to know whose fault it is? Yours. It is YOUR responsibility to get a certified saddle fitter out. As you said your mare has filled out which means the saddle would need to be changed. I am about to spend a total of $1500 on a decent saddle and pad that properly fits my TB. Your horse is still growing and will probably need a saddle fitter out at least once a year until she stops growing. Trainers don't have to know basic saddle fit its more a bonus and maybe that saddle did fit before she filled out.
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