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post #1191 of 1323 Old 12-02-2015, 09:13 AM
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I agree. Saddle fit is your responsibility. Most trainers around me have less than a handful of saddles. They ride all sorts of horses with whatever saddle fits them best. That doesn't mean it's a good fit...just better than the others.
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Do you know what "withers being out" means? What "ribs being out" means?
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Finding the 'perfect' saddle fit is very difficult. Most generally you can be ok to find the closest fit possible by looking at quality brands, which use quality materials and craftsmanship, and then within the brand the tree fit. And then find a pad that will compliment the fit, again quality, material and craftsmanship, 100% wool (and not all 100% wool pads are equal quality).

A lot of people may disagree with this; however, compare it to clothing or shoe fit on people. A certain brand may generally fit better than another, although the 'size' may read the same on both.

Custom fit saddles of top quality are very expensive. If you have a growing and changing horse the fit at one point in time may not be the same 6 months down the road.

While I do not mean to force the fit of a saddle that is too narrow, too wide, with the wrong angles or rock; my my opinion is to find a good quality, good fit, and compliment it with the appropriate pad.
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I don't know if they sell them over on your side but Peter Horobin saddles are really good although a bit expensive and be adjusted quite extensively
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Nope, you want to know whose fault it is? Yours. It is YOUR responsibility to get a certified saddle fitter out. As you said your mare has filled out which means the saddle would need to be changed. I am about to spend a total of $1500 on a decent saddle and pad that properly fits my TB. Your horse is still growing and will probably need a saddle fitter out at least once a year until she stops growing. Trainers don't have to know basic saddle fit its more a bonus and maybe that saddle did fit before she filled out.
Ok perhaps I am the one to blame, if it is then its a learning experience for me.

Originally I was going to get a saddle fitter. Do you remember before I moved to this new barn, I was saying how I talked with one saddle fitter and was going to have her out? (She charges $150). BUT she only comes and fits saddles on your horse, she doesnt go with you to the stores shopping (this is most likely why Ill call back the chiro from last night). I would prefer for someone to come WITH me to the store and pick and choose because Im not knowledgeable enough about saddles to go alone.

Then when I got to the new barn, my trainer said "lets try on this saddle" as we were browsing through the lesson saddles to see what could possibly fit and then she says its a pretty good fit. She even ran her hands and fingers along the sides starting from the gullet (exactly like how the chiro did last night) and said there wasnt any tight pressure points. Now, the very first time we fit the saddle on her, the BO did come in to watch my trainer get on my mare for a quick ride, but he did not look over the saddle. Perhaps Im to blame for this as well in not asking him (seeing how he knows a lot more in saddle fitting) but again, I trusted my trainers judgement when she said it was a good enough fit. But I cant be expecting the BO to be willing to check saddle fit because its not his job, I pay him to feed my horse. I thought what a blessing in disguise cause I have a saddle to use for the time being until I find out. Well wrong, cause look what its caused.

I figured my trainer just saved me $150 for having a saddle fitter come out, but really itll cost me more because $100 for last nights chiro and mostly will have her out again in a month or so to followup, so another $100. Uhhh, plus more to finally get on with saddle fitting.

And you are right, PERHAPS my mare did fit into this saddle 2 months ago but has filled out since then. Possibility but fill out that much in just 6 weeks? Not sure. Even though the massage therapist did mention (when she was out 2.5 weeks ago) that she has gained noticable muscle in her topline, back, front end etc.
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I agree. Saddle fit is your responsibility. Most trainers around me have less than a handful of saddles. They ride all sorts of horses with whatever saddle fits them best. That doesn't mean it's a good fit...just better than the others.
Well for me "better than the others" isnt good enough for me. It doesnt meet my standards for what I want on my mare.

If anything, like I said, its a blessing that my trainer said not to ride her for the winter. I wasnt overly crazy about it at first but now I am very happy about her decision.

I dont want that saddle on my mare ever again.

Im not expecting a perfect fit (and this is why Im not going the custom saddle route), but I just want a saddle that fits well enough to not cause any discomfort for her or any tight pressure points.

I was reading last night briefly on bad saddle fitting. It sounds really bad, have I permanently damaged muscles on my mare?

Lorien Stable - Muscle Damage Caused by Poorly Fitting Saddles: It Needs Treatment
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Do you know what "withers being out" means? What "ribs being out" means?
Withers werent out, just locked up the chiro said. She was firing off all these codes (areas on the withers) as she was adjusting them. At one point when adjusting her withers, my mare pinned her ears and immediately turned her head back. Exactly what she did to me the other day. So now I know its her withers that are bothering her the most.

When the massage therapist comes out, Im going to get her to use red light on her withers again. The last time she used red light on her withers was when my mare was lame in June and had locked up withers and after the 2nd time it completely freed up her wither. So I have no doubt she will heal from this.

Heres what I dont get - how different are chiros and massagers when it comes to the anatomy of a horse body? The first time I had my massager out (back in June) I asked her to see if my mares poll was out, she said no.

Just this past couple weeks when she was out, she never mentioned anything about my mares topline being tight. She said it was muscle gain from the past 6 weeks of being ridden. When I felt her topline yesterday, it felt the same (in terms of tightness) as when my massager was out and I felt it.

So can massagers not pinpoint stuff like if a poll is out?

She said 2 ribs were out, so im guessing just like on us people, not aligned with the spine is my guess. I know for people (Cause Ive had this happen to me before), with ribs out, it hurts like hell! Not sure how it effects horses when they have a rib out, but if it was anything like my ex's mare - she was crabby and not herself and sensitive when she had a rib out.

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Saddle fitting is one of those moving targets....there HS to be a compromise somewhere, unless money is no object.

I do not think blaming yourself for that is useful for anything.....probably blaming the trainer is useless, also. IF there is any soreness, it is probably temporary, and may not have been caused by the saddle at all.
She could have rolled on one of those rocks in her pen, for instance.
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How does a horse "lock up" withers?

I have never had the experience of having a "rib out"....
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I don't think you've permanently damaged any of her muscles. You have to remember that as a 4 yo, her body is still changing. That saddle could have very well fit her nicely when your trainer first started riding her. My mare bulked up drastically in her shoulders and withers in the beginning of her 5th year. My reining saddle that fit her really well in the beginning and then one day it was beginning to leave dry spots on her back. I was able to change my saddle pads and alleviate the discomfort long enough to save some money for a better fitting saddle. My mare is 7 now and I just purchased my 4th saddle in 3 years because she has changed so much! Also, conditioning changes their bodies- how a horse starts their conditioning matters. I think anndankev gave some really good advice, especially for where you are at right now with your mare.
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