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post #1201 of 1323 Old 12-02-2015, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
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Finding the 'perfect' saddle fit is very difficult. Most generally you can be ok to find the closest fit possible by looking at quality brands, which use quality materials and craftsmanship, and then within the brand the tree fit. And then find a pad that will compliment the fit, again quality, material and craftsmanship, 100% wool (and not all 100% wool pads are equal quality).

A lot of people may disagree with this; however, compare it to clothing or shoe fit on people. A certain brand may generally fit better than another, although the 'size' may read the same on both.

Custom fit saddles of top quality are very expensive. If you have a growing and changing horse the fit at one point in time may not be the same 6 months down the road.

While I do not mean to force the fit of a saddle that is too narrow, too wide, with the wrong angles or rock; my my opinion is to find a good quality, good fit, and compliment it with the appropriate pad.
Ah I forgot my sheet at home that I took my notes on. But from memory, the chiro said I should look into a swayback pad with inserts that I can place on the withers and mid back so that will raise the pad up a slight bit to eleviate any excess pressure if any. I have heard about swayback pads, someone at the old barn first told me about this months ago and am probably going to go this route.

Also, (I cant remember the exact brand new its at home) but she mentioned a theurpeutic pad that releases tension and soreness that I can possibly look into getting and using for the winter. Anyone ever use one of these? She says theyve become very popular, you can even get pads for their feet.

Couple other things she mentioned but cant remember them, will tonight.

She did fire off a couple saddle brands to consider.

I have to say for a chiro, she seemed to know an awful lot about saddle fitting! I was really surprised. Maybe Im just being naive but I would have thought that a trainer would know more about saddle fitting than a chiro would.
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You haven't permenantly damaged her... I'll show you something.

Right the first photo is my TB after racing see right behind his shoulder or behind the wither ? No dip.

2nd photo is how I got him see the dip behind the shoulder and the dip of the back? That's from saddle damage.

The 3rd photo is him now you can still see the dip and lowering of the back. It's not permenant but it will take a lot of work to get him back to the first picture.
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I don't know if they sell them over on your side but Peter Horobin saddles are really good although a bit expensive and be adjusted quite extensively
I will look into it thanks.

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Saddle fitting is one of those moving targets....there HS to be a compromise somewhere, unless money is no object.

I do not think blaming yourself for that is useful for anything.....probably blaming the trainer is useless, also. IF there is any soreness, it is probably temporary, and may not have been caused by the saddle at all.
She could have rolled on one of those rocks in her pen, for instance.
I take the blame but its a lesson learned. I cant be putting any blame on my trainer.

True that she could have rolled on one of the rocks in the field. This is why I would love to tidy up and pick up all those rocks in their pasture.

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I don't think you've permanently damaged any of her muscles. You have to remember that as a 4 yo, her body is still changing. That saddle could have very well fit her nicely when your trainer first started riding her. My mare bulked up drastically in her shoulders and withers in the beginning of her 5th year. My reining saddle that fit her really well in the beginning and then one day it was beginning to leave dry spots on her back. I was able to change my saddle pads and alleviate the discomfort long enough to save some money for a better fitting saddle. My mare is 7 now and I just purchased my 4th saddle in 3 years because she has changed so much! Also, conditioning changes their bodies- how a horse starts their conditioning matters. I think anndankev gave some really good advice, especially for where you are at right now with your mare.
But do you see a horses formation change that much in just 6 weeks?

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How does a horse "lock up" withers?

I have never had the experience of having a "rib out"....
I think what the chiro meant by locked up withers is that they were really tight.

You've never heard of ribs being out?

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I have never heard of a saddle fitter going shopping with you. I would DEFINITELY expect to pay them their hourly rate for that, but it seems like a waste of money. Most tack shops will allow you to trailer the horse there to try on saddles, or take saddles out on trial (you pay a refundable deposit). You bring a few likely good fits home with you, ride in them, and have the fitter there while you're trying them out to assess overall fit on the horse and with you riding in it. They don't make any adjustments to the saddle until you've purchased it, then they adjust as needed to get it to be the best fit for your horse. It may require more than one visit from the fitter if you don't make a decision and buy the saddle the same day they're out. Expect to pay them every time they're at the barn.

You're going to need to educate yourself some to narrow down on a few saddles to take on trial. First, sit in them. Are they comfortable for you? Don't worry about horse fit yet, find a few brands/styles that you like.

Once you've established that, then you need to do some basic investigation about whether saddles comfortable for you are likely to fit your horse. I don't know anything about western saddles, but this is a comprehensive overview:
http://www.circley.com/wp-content/up...le-fitting.pdf

Start with a wither tracing. Here's how:

Once you have that done, bring that to the tack shop with you to see how it matches up with the brands your store carries and that were comfortable for you.

Also, don't limit yourself to the tack shop in your town. Do some research on online companies (selling both new and consignment) that will allow you to take saddles on trial (and be prepared to pay shipping costs). I don't know anything about western saddles, but for English saddles I have had great success with Fine Used Saddles. They will also likely want to see your wither tracing to help with fit. It will probably be costlier to go this route because of shipping costs, but in my experience, it will give you access to a better selection. It's still helpful to narrow down on brands/styles you like by exploring at your local tack shop.

One other note- like people, horses' bodies aren't static. Just because the chiro found the horse in a different condition than the person who worked on her in June doesn't mean either were right or wrong. My mare sees the chiro every 4 months. I know where she is likely to be sore, but the assessment is not the same every time, because the horse isn't the same.
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You can also see in the last picture my horse has a potbelly because of muscle wastage in his back which we are currently correcting and he gets better every week. Just thought I'd show you the damage that can be done by ill fitting saddles.

Also look up Dr. Deb Bennett and look at her knowledge base she has some good reading and also a reading list.
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Also look up Dr. Deb Bennett and look at her knowledge base she has some good reading and also a reading list.
Take what Deb Bennett has to say with a grain of salt. She is extremely knowledgeable about horse anatomy but has tried to elevate herself to deity status and has some very strange notions. She should stick to anatomy.
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Also look up Dr. Deb Bennett and look at her knowledge base she has some good reading and also a reading list.
Take what Deb Bennett has to say with a grain of salt. She is extremely knowledgeable about horse anatomy but has tried to elevate herself to deity status and has some very strange notions. She should stick to anatomy.
Haven't looked past the 3 PDFs on her knowledge base and probably won't but I think the anatomy part is relevant at the moment. But yeah take it with a grain of salt like everything you hear in the horse world.
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Haven't looked past the 3 PDFs on her knowledge base and probably won't but I think the anatomy part is relevant at the moment. But yeah take it with a grain of salt like everything you hear in the horse world.
She's one of the most arrogant, obnoxious people I've ever had the misfortune to do business with. Won't do it twice, but will give her all props for her anatomy knowledge.
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I would not lunge any horse in that tiny round pen.

What makes you think she needs more muscle in her shoulders and front legs? Even if you lunge her for an hour EVERY day you are not going to build those up.
I had to pull this up for reference.

Now, Im not going to lunge my mare but the chiro mentioned last night that long lunging is really good to free up the withers and top line. She suggested I do it, but I was like eeek, I dont lunge my mare anymore.
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Haven't looked past the 3 PDFs on her knowledge base and probably won't but I think the anatomy part is relevant at the moment. But yeah take it with a grain of salt like everything you hear in the horse world.
She's one of the most arrogant, obnoxious people I've ever had the misfortune to do business with. Won't do it twice, but will give her all props for her anatomy knowledge.
Ouch lol the reading is good but that's as far as my knowledge extends of her. I think the 3 PDFs are active & passive muscle, true collection and learning to ride your horse straight. I don't think I will look any further into her.
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