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post #1241 of 1323 Old 12-03-2015, 11:22 AM
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The description of the BOT saddle pads on their website refers to "keeping the muscles loose during the ride". So one would assume the saddle pads are made to use under the saddle for riding.
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I've heard good things about Diamond pads. You really can't go wrong with a good quality wool pad.
I think Im sold on Diamond Wool. Sounds like a real quality long lasting product for $100.

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So something to keep in mind about western saddles...there is no standard. You have wades, associations, modified assiciations,barrel, cutting, ranch cutting, roping, trail, pleasure, reining...and a few more types that I probably left out. All of which have different trees, twists and gullet sizes. I suggest spending time in the saddle fitting section of the forum. Lot's of good information there.
Ok I will check out the saddle fitting forum. I think the best thing to do is trace test on my mares weathers (found a link but not 100% clear on how to do it, will need to read some more). THEN go to the saddle store and see what fits in that range in terms of my size requirements, gullet space, seat size, etc.

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As far as wade saddles go...they tend to not have a lot of wither clearance. When most people think of a wade saddle...they are just envisioning a hard seat saddle, with a deep pocket and a big horn. In reality- you can get pretty much the same thing on a modified association tree which may end up fitting your horse better. For now, I wouldn't give any thought to what kind of saddle...start researching western saddle trees and fit- then you can carry that over to what type of style you want.
Ok. Good idea. Worry about the style after. Like I said I dont really care about the tree size, how much support the seat has, how the saddle looks. Its about comfort for my mare and price.

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Oh and by the way- I love your avatar!
Thanks. That pic is only 1 of 2 times that I was able to get her bridle and bit on all by myself.

Its only temporary as I will be taking some pics of my mare in the next week or so. I want to get some made up on Christmas cards for family if Im able to get good shots. Taking good pics of your horse is one of the hardest things to shoot I find (and photography used to be one of my biggest passions in life, so I have quite a bit of knowledge on it).

Maybe my boss too? Hmm considering it but he doesnt care for horses and doesnt ask anything about my mare, so it would probably be a waste eh? Works out to be 12 cards for $20 at my local camera print shop.

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The description of the BOT saddle pads on their website refers to "keeping the muscles loose during the ride". So one would assume the saddle pads are made to use under the saddle for riding.
Ok thanks
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Is it a good or bad idea to lead horses when its windy and dark out?

Got to the barn tonight and it was super dark (cause very little snow on the ground as its melted) and less stars at night. And it was pretty windy, a couple metal parts on the barn roof were flapping a bit so it was making some noise.

I thought oh no, this is gonna be a challenge leading my mare in. I was second guessing if i should bring her in and perhaps just feed in the area outside her pasture. She was a bit nervous I could tell cause of the noise and I had to watch to make sure it wasnt icy out so i was walking a bit slower. But I got her in! I always try my best to lead her inbetween what I think could make her nervous and her.

Got her in the barn and you could hear part of the roof panel blowing a bit by the wind and i could tell that made her a bit nervous. I just did a quick brush (wanted to see if she was still soar on the withers or left loin), so I was going really lightly and watching her ears. She seemed a lot better, but also hard to tell cause i was so light. I could tell she was watching me closely brush. I was being extra careful. Even scratching her and rubbing her I was extra light on her. I didnt give the withers too much attention with my hands.

Picked her feet, which she was really good on, and I praised and rewarded her each time. It seems I no longer need to pin her up against the barn wall when asking for her feet since she hasnt be stepping away from me lately when doing it. She must have caught on really quick and got the hint when I would pin her aginst the wall.

Massaged her left back a bit to get some blood flowing to the area. Her massage therapist will be out in the next week or so again.

Since no one was there, I decided I would let her loose in the arena. I first fed her her hay cubes and carrots in there first. She just sprinted a couple times and didnt seem to wanna run but snoop around instead. I thought she would want to get some bucks and kicks out, but guess not.

It looks like I wont be able to get my mare to take in the Hoffman minerals. Just to experiment, I didnt put them in the hay cubes tonight and I soaked the hay cubes with less water and didnt crush them. She gobbled them all up but she wouldnt eat the more soaked parts of the cubes that were broken apart from the water and pressed along the edge of the feed tray.

So one, she obviously doesnt like the minerals and no matter how well I mix it she can smell it. And two, she prefers her cubes to not be mashed and less water when soaking them. Thats too bad that she doesnt like the HOffman minerals. Didnt think they taste that bad lol. I guess if she doesnt like them, I cant force her. Looks like I wasted $40 on that bag.

When I led her back out, she was fine, a lot more comfortable than when going in.

I just mainly wanted to see how she was feeling and Im sure she is feeling a million times better than her chiro adjustment 2 nights ago. Even though I couldnt tell 100%, Ill have to allow some time to see how she is when i brush her each time.

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Depends how confident you feel doing it.
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Is it a good or bad idea to lead horses when its windy and dark out?

It looks like I wont be able to get my mare to take in the Hoffman minerals. Just to experiment, I didnt put them in the hay cubes tonight and I soaked the hay cubes with less water and didnt crush them. She gobbled them all up but she wouldnt eat the more soaked parts of the cubes that were broken apart from the water and pressed along the edge of the feed tray.

So one, she obviously doesnt like the minerals and no matter how well I mix it she can smell it. And two, she prefers her cubes to not be mashed and less water when soaking them. Thats too bad that she doesnt like the HOffman minerals. Didnt think they taste that bad lol. I guess if she doesnt like them, I cant force her. Looks like I wasted $40 on that bag.

Leading when it's dark and windy...I guess it depends on your situation, but the way I look at it, my mare lives outside. She can graze and walk and do whatever she wants when it's windy and dark...she better darn well be able to lead, too. I have a very different situation than you though, I'm not walking out into a huge herd to get my horse- the herd at my house is only 2 horses. I can handle 2 nervous horses in the dark much better that 4 or 5.

A little trick to try with the minerals- try adding some apple cider vinegar. There's quite a few debates out there whether acv is good for horses or not, but my mare is a little picky with her minerals- so I needed to add something tasty to it that wouldn't add sugar. I took acv in a spray bottle and sprayed it on her feed. It added just enough flavor for her to eat up and I'm not really adding enough for any sort of effect, other than flavor. It also serves me double duty as when I pick out her feet I use the same spray bottle to apply the acv to her hooves.
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On those minerals, I would bet one of the small buckets(8 quart or so), and just hang it in front of her when you tie her. Let her "free choice" those minerals. Like I said! IF she needs them, she will eat them. She may need them next week, but not this week.n
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Depends how confident you feel doing it.
Im confident. But when its windy and dark out like it was last night, (the arm that im leading her shank with), I will have raised just a bit (like few inches) in case she does want to spook into me, I have my arm right in the way to correct her and push her away.
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Leading when it's dark and windy...I guess it depends on your situation, but the way I look at it, my mare lives outside. She can graze and walk and do whatever she wants when it's windy and dark...she better darn well be able to lead, too. I have a very different situation than you though, I'm not walking out into a huge herd to get my horse- the herd at my house is only 2 horses. I can handle 2 nervous horses in the dark much better that 4 or 5.
Oh I see. Well Ive gotten used to her herd really fast. The fillie I will still have to chase away from time to time (she loves my mare that much lol), but the two geldings have become very good and know to keep their space when I get there. The fillie just adores my mare.

Then when Im done putting my mare back in and heading out, they will come up to the gate (cause they think I have treats, since theyve seen me give my mare treats before haha).

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A little trick to try with the minerals- try adding some apple cider vinegar. There's quite a few debates out there whether acv is good for horses or not, but my mare is a little picky with her minerals- so I needed to add something tasty to it that wouldn't add sugar. I took acv in a spray bottle and sprayed it on her feed. It added just enough flavor for her to eat up and I'm not really adding enough for any sort of effect, other than flavor. It also serves me double duty as when I pick out her feet I use the same spray bottle to apply the acv to her hooves.
Actually you're right and Im surprised I didnt think of this because I actually used to put ACV in her grain at the old barn from time to time when she was on 10g of MSM powder (mixed in with her grain) a day and she didnt seem to mind it. Just 1 table spoon cause that stuff smells so nasty.

Unfortunately I had to take her off MSM because it made her spook at everything. Otherwise MSM worked great for her (I used it when she was lame) for about a month. I tried dropping the dose to 5g and even 1 and 2 grams, going to the bare minimum a day (cause I know MSM has a positive effect on horses) but she was still spooking. I know the recommended minimum intake of MSM per day while it still maintains its effectiveness is 5g and theres no way I could have her on that much a day.

I still have ACV and MSM with me at the barn. I will give the ACV a try again but the only thing is, to disguise the minerals you will need to mix (meaning mash) the hay cubes and she doesnt like when the cubes are mashed. It seems she likes to break the cubes up herself.

Also, dont forget, Ive only been putting in like 1 tablespoon of the minerals. Thats nowhere near the suggested intake by Hoffmans and I know that. Hoffmans lady said to use the scooper that comes in the bag and 3 full scoops a day is what I should serve. THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH!!!! Even half a scoop is way too much. It would pretty much sit in her food and completely override her food. She wouldnt touch it.

So what im getting at is, even if I can get her to take "some" minerals, it wont be anywhere near what she should be getting.

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On those minerals, I would bet one of the small buckets(8 quart or so), and just hang it in front of her when you tie her. Let her "free choice" those minerals. Like I said! IF she needs them, she will eat them. She may need them next week, but not this week.n
I have free choiced them to her the first 2-2.5 months after I introduced them to her. THe first day, I put 4 full scoops in a bucket and stored it in her shelter. Surprisingly, she ate like 1/3 of the minerals (but I think she was eating it to find out what exactly it was and no because she enjoyed the taste).

So I refilled the next day and she didnt once lick that bucket again for the next couple months so I removed the bucket.

I think shes avoiding them because of the taste, not because she doesnt need them.

The only way is to get mineral pellets, where she will see it and think its grain, like Vitamix and put those as an additional item next to her hay cubes in the tray.
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