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post #1311 of 1323 Old 12-07-2015, 09:28 AM
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I know you dont have faith in me, but I will sort it in and right away. Right away as in next time this happens. I did not know about her looking at me with her head at an angle from me was seen as a bad behaviour.
GOOD GRIEF........LOOK at your video, look at how she is wandering about everywhere, look at her ears back


No forget it, you are right, I have no faith in your ability to do this......... with online coaching.......none, zero, zilch. You simply cannot see the bigger picture, you have no real understanding of what you are trying to achieve, what you are looking for...REAL LIFE that is what is needed, then come back.....

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And WHY on God's green earth is your trainer allowing you to ride wearing sandals!!!!! I thought we already covered this?

I wanted to address this, but I was starting to feel like the grinch.....

NO trainer that I have ever even heard of, much less used, would allow this. Loafers, street shoes...maybe for the first lesson, but N E V E R sandals. You live on Canada, for heaven's sake! You could lose your toes to frostbite. That just makes me believe not one person at this barn has a clue. Even the BO, because it is HIS liability problem, not even the "trainer's". Yes, from now on, that will be in quotes!
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post #1313 of 1323 Old 12-07-2015, 09:39 AM Thread Starter
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This is part of the problem, OP. You are looking for a specific, minuscule cue from you mare that shows she is being disrespectful- a cue that you don't fully understand yet. And in the meantime you are missing all the giant cues that are hitting all of us (who are sitting back and watching) smack dab in the middle of the face. And what's going to happen is you really are going to get smacked in the middle of the face by this horse by a giant kick that you never saw coming.

This info right here from Golden, IMO, is golden: "You need to be interacting in the real world, getting out to audit clinics, taking her to groundwork clinics. The difference between success and failure with horses is about small differences in pressure, timing, and feedback, NONE OF THAT can be developed online, only on the real world. Again you desperately need someone there for you, and especially for the mare. First big step would be step away completely from putting human emotions and thoughts into her actions, she is a horse not a person"

You have SO MUCH conflicting information. You have a trainer that you are paying telling you one thing. You have online subscriptions telling you one thing. You have a forum telling you multiple things. That in itself is enough to confuse an experienced horseman. And in all reality- there are only 2 people on this earth working with your mare- your trainer, who is being consistent and you, who is taking a hodge podge of information and applying it to a bossy, disrespectful green mare.

I think we can all see you are invested in this mare, and chances are nobody is going to convince you you find a better match, but I thing the easiest and safest way to get this mare to come around is to do what Golden said and get her to groundwork clinics. Audit clinics.

And WHY on God's green earth is your trainer allowing you to ride wearing sandals!!!!! I thought we already covered this?
Ok I have one question.

HOw is a groundwork clinic any different and anymore beneficial than doing ground work with my mare and my trainer? Remember, Im trying to cut back on the number of people that Im learning from.

Also, I thought you guys said Im done with groundwork with her? Green said that this is an example of holes in her training. Yes and that hole is ground tying. The previous owner has worked on ground tying with her but not very much. I did start this with her in the summer at the old barn but the 3 times we worked on it, it was in arenas. She stood very well, enough for me to be able to have the lead on the floor.

Yes you covered the sandals, but I already mentioned, Im in sandals for at least another week unfortunately. Trainer understands and is fully aware of it. Im not wearing sandals by choice.
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Groundwork is different then being consistent. This is something I think you forget your mare is young AND green you need to be consistent when she decides she's had enough. Groundwork doesn't fix everything it helps but you have to use it consistently.

I think you are taking good things to literal and not using your own judgement.
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See, you think people are giving up but they're not they have given you all this advice but you don't seem to listen or you listen until it doesn't suit you.

I agree with all of the above, in that video she was being disrespectful from the get-go. She was continually moving, side eyeing and pinning her ears back at you. She knows she can do what she want.
I thought about it last night and decided that Im going to work on ground tying with her right away, as in the next time I see her. Because it will be dark out, we will start again back in the arena.
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Ok I have one question.

HOw is a groundwork clinic any different and anymore beneficial than doing ground work with my mare and my trainer? Remember, Im trying to cut back on the number of people that Im learning from.

Also, I thought you guys said Im done with groundwork with her? Green said that this is an example of holes in her training. Yes and that hole is ground tying. The previous owner has worked on ground tying with her but not very much. I did start this with her in the summer at the old barn but the 3 times we worked on it, it was in arenas. She stood very well, enough for me to be able to have the lead on the floor.
Sorry, Hoofpic, but until NOW (when we saw the video), we have had no idea what she was doing! We have been taking your description....and you admittedly have no idea what is going on!

No, the HOLE is that this mare is becoming dangerous, because SHE is PUSHING YOU around. She DID NOT stand well for you, she was shuffling her feet (and you were holding the lead rope!) the entire time.
Ground tying means standing STILLL with the lead rope ON THE GROUND.

We are about to get this thread closed by the mod's, if this gets any worse.

Forgot to answer the groundwork clinic question...

The simple answer is THAT (hopefully) THE CLINICIAN KNOWS WHAT THE HECK THEY ARE DOING!! If anyone at your barn has ever seen what your mare is doing, they Are negligent for not putting a stop to it immediately.

If I had been there, I would have grabbed the lead rope out of your hand, backed he up as I said before, then showed YOU how to do that. No horse ON MY PROPERTYhas ever been allowed to do that TO ANYONE!!
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Sorry, Hoofpic, but until NOW (when we saw the video), we have had no idea what she was doing! We have been taking your description....and you admittedly have no idea what is going on!

No, the HOLE is that this mare is becoming dangerous, because SHE is PUSHING YOU around. She DID NOT stand well for you, she was shuffling her feet (and you were holding the lead rope!) the entire time.
Ground tying means standing STILLL with the lead rope ON THE GROUND.

We are about to get this thread closed by the mod's, if this gets any worse.

Forgot to answer the groundwork clinic question...

The simple answer is THAT (hopefully) THE CLINICIAN KNOWS WHAT THE HECK THEY ARE DOING!! If anyone at your barn has ever seen what your mare is doing, they Are negligent for not putting a stop to it immediately.

If I had been there, I would have grabbed the lead rope out of your hand, backed he up as I said before, then showed YOU how to do that. No horse ON MY PROPERTYhas ever been allowed to do that TO ANYONE!!
Im not arguing with you but I will mention that wasnt the whole brushing session, only part. I am rewatching the whole thing and there was a large segment where she did stand well for me. Just something to factor in.

Yes it obviously wasnt a good idea for me to choose to brush her outside that day knowing she hasnt been trained to ground tied 100% yet. I will work on this with her but starting back in the arena, then work our way outside when we have it down pat in the arena.
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Ok I have one question.

HOw is a groundwork clinic any different and anymore beneficial than doing ground work with my mare and my trainer? Remember, Im trying to cut back on the number of people that Im learning from.

Also, I thought you guys said Im done with groundwork with her? Green said that this is an example of holes in her training. Yes and that hole is ground tying. The previous owner has worked on ground tying with her but not very much. I did start this with her in the summer at the old barn but the 3 times we worked on it, it was in arenas. She stood very well, enough for me to be able to have the lead on the floor.
Because. I didn't even watch 30 seconds of the last video you posted and I saw 5 things wrong with how you were handling your horse. You recognize that ground tying is a hole- so if she got it down pat after 3 times and then continues to act like a brat now, why not correct her, and correct her hard? She knows better Or, she never got it in the first place. If you were at a clinic, and had told the clinician what you told us, and then that clinician saw how she was acting- they could have showed you exactly how to correct her and the timing needed to do it. They would have had much more time to observe her and you and your interaction and they would know EXACTLY how to approach her training.
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Because. I didn't even watch 30 seconds of the last video you posted and I saw 5 things wrong with how you were handling your horse. You recognize that ground tying is a hole- so if she got it down pat after 3 times and then continues to act like a brat now, why not correct her, and correct her hard? She knows better Or, she never got it in the first place. If you were at a clinic, and had told the clinician what you told us, and then that clinician saw how she was acting- they could have showed you exactly how to correct her and the timing needed to do it. They would have had much more time to observe her and you and your interaction and they would know EXACTLY how to approach her training.
Listen I dont want to make anyone here anymore upset. I think it would be best for us to take a breather from this thread for awhile. I really REALLY would hate to see this thread being closed.

I think its best as well if I take a break too from here. The story is, I am taking advice from too many people/sources. Right now this is my worst enemy.

I never said I had her ground tying down pat after 3 times. I only worked on it 3 times with her in the summer.

This is pretty much what I did. This is NOT the video I worked off of but same logic.


I will continue on with this right away back in the arena.

I will bring this up with my trainer and will work something out with her in terms of her coaching me during lessons completely aside from me riding.

Obviously I cannot attend clinics right now, like I said they are over for the year. I have spent a good month just looking for one to attend, its not possible for this year.
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I have been reading this entire thread and not commenting, but Hoofpic I agree with the others. Your mare has your number and is being blatantly disrespectful.

You asked why she pinned her ears when you told her to back up. She pins them because she didn't want to do it!!! I would've kept backing her up until she stopped resisting, then she gets to relax.

Stop worrying about her feelings and if she respects you and if you have a good bond. You know how you get a good bond with a horse? Being a firm and consistent LEADER. My horses know what is acceptable and not acceptable around me, they know they will get reprimanded if they step out of line, but they still respect me, they still seek me out when I come into the pasture. My mare likes to pull faces some times, and all I have to do is give her a sharp look and she cuts it out, I call it the equivalent of me "pinning my ears" back at her.

She pins her ears at you, you need to reprimand her, either a tug on the lead rope, a sharp "aaahhhhh!" noise, a sharp look at her, even a step towards her with a sharp look if necessary. She keeps pinning them and acting nasty, you back her up hard and fast, keep her backing until she submits (head down, relaxes her ears, backing easily to your command). Then let her stand and relax, don't talk to her, don't pet her, just let her stand. Then resume with what you're doing. I wouldn't worry about teaching her to ground tie yet, you need her respect first.

And to the sandals thing, good grief, if I was your trainer you would either have found boots that you could wear comfortably and were safe for riding, or you wouldn't be riding until you did. What if the horse you're riding spooks and you loose your balance and fall off and your foot slides into the stirrup? There's nothing keeping your feet from sliding through the stirrups and getting hung up. I've been dragged by a horse once with my foot caught up in a stirrup, its not a pleasant experience.

I've had smashed toes/feet before that were swollen and uncomfortable to get into my boots, if its that bad you can't get a shoe on it, you probably shouldn't be riding anyway.
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