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post #221 of 1323 Old 10-18-2015, 06:09 PM Thread Starter
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Today was a total failure.

She tried to bite me and again stupid me didnt have my whip on me (thinking all i m doing is leading her back why would i need it right?). Well she once again had her head back so quick i wasnt able to whack her muzzle.fail.

Yet another day goes by where she wins the biting game again. Am i ever going to be able to correct her properly when biting?

Do i need a new horse?

Uhh i shouldnt have taken her out of her paddock today.
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I'm wondering if you should be concentrating on handling and riding lessons and look for a "made" horse that won't be such a challenge. You would still need to learn how to handle a horse even if you got a trained one. It seems you are not having fun.
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I'm wondering if you should be concentrating on handling and riding lessons and look for a "made" horse that won't be such a challenge. You would still need to learn how to handle a horse even if you got a trained one. It seems you are not having fun.
Ive been through this before, in terms of doubt trickling into my mind, but Ive thankfully been able to stay confident, remain to keep my head up and stay optimistic. Ive always said im not going to give up, Ive only had her for just over 3 months now.

But today it really bothered me. I feel like crap. I just dont get it.

I just dont understand why she is fighting me and blocking me when leading her away from me. Seeing how this is how my trainer now wants me to start leading her, always away from me and I cant even do it without her fighting me, then what am I achieving from it?

And the whole biting game, Im just dying for the time to come where Im able to give her a good hard whack on her muzzle with the stick. Will this time ever come? Will I ever be able to connect on her muzzle after she tries to bite? You dont know how much this is bothering me inside knowing I have yet to accomplish this. Im sure shes having a blast because this is all a game to her, try to bite me, then swing her head back to avoid the swinging hand. She wins. Now onto the next day to do it all over again.

Again, it slide through the cracks yet again. I did not have my whip on me. Me once again, taking things for granted , just because she was good to start, doesnt mean it will remain that way. I cant enphasize this enough but I really need to carry my 4ft lunge whip with me all the time. Not the small whip but the 4ft one. I am just patiently waiting when I can finally connect on her muzzle with the whip after she tries to bite me. The day this happens (if it ever does) will take a major weight off my shoulders. Right now it has gotten inside my head, its toying with me, its playing mind games with me. Its a mental burden on me right now.
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What do you mean when you say she's "blocking you?" since you're turning into her, of course she's in that space until you push or send her out. I'm having trouble picturing where you're getting stuck.
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My best friend's mare does the biting game. She'll bite, then throw her head out of the way faster than you can react. Irritates the hell out of me cuz my best friend LETS her do it and her "corrections" are half-hearted at best.

One night, we were standing there waiting for BA (my best friend) to lead her gelding back into the barn so we could go in next. I had Tinkerbell standing nicely at my right side and was relaxed. She got impatient and bit the back of my bicep HARD to get my attention. I didn't try to smack her. I knew it wouldn't work. I didn't have a whip. All I had was me, her lead rope, her Dually halter (Monty Robert's gadget), and 50' of arena fence. I did the only thing I could do to get her attention. I chased her backward at a dead run down that arena fence.

She's 14.3hh and a solid 1200lbs. I'm 5'7" and was probably 265lbs at the time. But you can sure as hell bet that I made her think that she was going to DIE if she didn't move.

After I basically backed her into the corner of the arena, I turned around and walked away like nothing had happened, expecting her to follow. That mare has NEVER tried to bite me again. Not even a lip or a nibble. And that was two years ago.
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What do you mean when you say she's "blocking you?" since you're turning into her, of course she's in that space until you push or send her out. I'm having trouble picturing where you're getting stuck.
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You are not the only one. I'm also havin difficulties picturing the 'leading away from me'.

That could be me however. I do have problems deciphering written descriptions sometimes.
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Hoofpic, where does she bite you?
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What do you mean when you say she's "blocking you?" since you're turning into her, of course she's in that space until you push or send her out. I'm having trouble picturing where you're getting stuck.
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Same thing from what happened Wed night. Watch at the 4min mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1VkAQu-K4


I can turn her away from me at ANY pace, slow, snailpace, normal, fast, doesnt matter...she will speed up and do anything from me getting ahead of her to turn her. I speed up, she speeds up and rams her shoulder into me.

When I lead her away from me, I am driving her away from me with my body language - head up, big shoulders, firm walk like i mean business, no to very little pressure in the lead. But once she speeds up, I speed up and immediately put pressure on the lead in the direction im going, she lashes out like if im putting too much pressure on her.

Honestly, it almost seems like shes lashing out on me in terms of anger and hatred towards me. Im not talking, shes just standing there and refusing to move over for me, she will barge right into me. She makes it very obvious that shes wanting to be very aggresive about it.

I can understand correcting her by getting her to do 2 tight circles away from me, but I think (and maybe its just my opinion) that is far too light of a correction for something like this. I think if she is barging into me with her shoulder like this, she would get a whack on her shoulder with my whip as hard as I can throw it. Two tight circles, great, she dances then when its done she probably just laughts it off.

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This is why I like a dressage whip for close work. More bite, doesn't require a ton of space to use. Have you ever whacked your leg with a dressage whip? Hurts. Like. HELL! She barges into you? Snap that whip over and give her a good whack with it on the shoulder.

It honestly sounds like you're getting into fights with her because you're getting angry and lashing out. If you can't work with her calmly, don't do it.

I think I've said it from the beginning, but as much as you claim to love this mare, she needs someone with more experience and a firmer hand. You need a quiet, broke horse who isn't going to constantly try your patience and you can learn from.

Right now, I don't see this situation ending well. In fact, I see it ending with you getting hurt by this little mare cuz you've ****ed her off so badly.
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This is why I like a dressage whip for close work. More bite, doesn't require a ton of space to use. Have you ever whacked your leg with a dressage whip? Hurts. Like. HELL! She barges into you? Snap that whip over and give her a good whack with it on the shoulder.

It honestly sounds like you're getting into fights with her because you're getting angry and lashing out. If you can't work with her calmly, don't do it.

I think I've said it from the beginning, but as much as you claim to love this mare, she needs someone with more experience and a firmer hand. You need a quiet, broke horse who isn't going to constantly try your patience and you can learn from.

Right now, I don't see this situation ending well. In fact, I see it ending with you getting hurt by this little mare cuz you've ****ed her off so badly.
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No no im not getting mad at all when with her. I am right now but that is because my emotions are running high right now. During or when im with her, thankfully they dont. One of my greatest strengths as a person is my ability to control my emotions in situations that may upset or bother me. I do this very well, I almost never lash out and I keep my emotions in check until at least im no longer in that envinronment.

I am calm, today I would have loved to whip her on the shoulder if i had it on me but i didnt. She is the one who is lashing out on me by barging her shoulder into me. I do absolutely nothing to get her to retaliate like that. That is aggression, not retaliation.

Watch that video right at the 4:00min mark, watch it a few times in that 5 sec span. Do you see me doing anything to upset her? I am driving her over softly through channeling my body language. I am not being aggresive, im not lashing out on her or getting upset at her. How am I ****ing her off?

Im getting mad when its all said and done and Ive left the barn reflecting back.

Thats why today I purposely toned it down because i did not want to get in a fighting match with her. I did not want to irritate her. All I was doing was leading her back, had to do a couple turns her way, and I really kept an even keel cause i dont want her to get irritated with me on a day where she was having off from any work.

I have a short whip, its about 2.5-3ft. It looks like my lunge whip. Is that what youre talking about?

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