What did your instructor say about the biting?
She said I need to anticipate when shes about to bite and whack her on teh muzzle. Right now, my goal is to just accomplish wacking her on the muzzle period, within that 2 sec window (preferably right away).
Im still confident I can do this, just not with my hand but my whip. Accomplish it, one time, thats my goal right now, then work and build from there.
Seriously, Im not taking anymore BS from this mare. Now, Im not sure if im going to see her tomorow but the next time I do go see her, that whip will be in my hand every second I am at that barn.
This whole biting game is pretty much her turning her butt to me all over again. Thankfully i was able to get rid of that habit of her turning her butt to me months ago and it all started once I started carrying my lunge whip with me all the time. A few good solid whacks on her HQ with the whip really got her to wake up, then some round penning and the butt turning was gone.
One boarder said to me the other day to round pen her since ive had instant change and benefit from it in the past. I dont think roundpenning will achieve anything, what will, will be firm and consistent correction by either my hand or the whip.
What does worry me though is the fact yesterday I had her stand with me for 5 or 6 mins. She tried to circle around me at least 10 times in that 5-6 min window. I corrected her every single time. She licked and chewed after the 3rd or so time after we finished every correction. But yet she still tried it today. How many times do I need to do it to get her to realize to stop circling me?
I know its early (only 1 day) and i should give it more time but im wondering if this is a firm enough correction to send her the message.
If I were there with you, I would probably put a stud chain on her, and really up the ante. (note - I am not recommending that you do this, because I'm almost positive she will not react well to it at first and will be quite offended by it. If the person handling her isn't ready for that, skilled with good timing and feel, and confident enough to not back down until she gives it up, it would only make matters worse) With a chain, you'd be able to give a correction, to her mouth/nose area no matter if she pulled her head away quickly or not.
I know forsure my trainer is most likely not a fan of stud chains.
My recommendation to you, would be to talk to your instructor ASAP and tell her exactly what you have told us. Tell her about the biting and about the trouble you're having with her barging into you, even though you're trying to do as she instructed you.
I plan on doing this. Im hoping to get some advice from her.
Tell her that you can feel things escalating, and you had a lot of trouble today, just leading her back to her pen.
Things didnt escalate today, they just remained the same from the past few days. As long as Im leading her in a straight (or near straight line) and not turning her way, she is fine.
If you want to try to get through this, I think maybe you should try to have like 3 or 4 lessons this next week. That way you can put yourself in a position to handle her, only with the instructor there to supervise and help, and not mess with her any other time, until you have the confidence and ability to handle it on your own.
Im not sure if she has that availability to do that many lessons this week, plus she still has to ride her 3 times. I know exactly what my trainer wants me to do, but I wouldnt mind at least one more lesson working on this with her observing.
The only thing is, sure my mare behaves when the trainer is watching, but when shes not, then its almost like my mare knows it and lashes out more aggresively and doesnt respond as well.
I don't doubt that the instructor has capabilities with horses, but I do wonder how much experience she has with young horses and if she's really able to help a novice, such as yourself, handle a horse like yours. It's very possible that the bulk of her experience has involved mostly teaching people with more broke horses.
Im not sure but I do know most of her experience is from teaching the younger crowd (older as well), and kids handling horses of all ages. Even though my mare is still young, my trainer still sees her as a well behaved horse.
Now I know and understand that she wants me to tone it done with my horse when correction because she is so sensitive, but I dont care how sensitive a horse is...if im not doing anything to upset them or make them irritated or relaliate and they lash out aggresively on their own will, times like that call for aggressive correction whether that be with the whip, etc.
I obviously don't know anything about her background, but I do know that if someone came to me, in your situation, I would want to work with the horse for a while first, without you involved (i'd have you work with a more broke horse I have, to work on your own skills). That way I could get your horse safe enough for you to then be able to handle successfully. I would never allow a situation like you have now, where I only worked the horse a few days a week and left you to deal with it on your own, except for a lesson once a week. I'd want to get your horse right for you first, before you stepped in, to help you be as successful as possible.
Heres what I think, Im sure this has crossed her mind but heres the thing. My mare is not normally like this, when my trainer leads her AWAY from her (no matter what pace, what is around them), my mare doesnt lash out. I can bet you that i could have every single person at this barn lead her AWAY from them and my mare wouldnt lash out and woudl be good. So because of this (and from my trainer having gotten to know my mare from general handling of her, riding her etc), she doesnt see her as a disrespectful, aggresive, or bad behaved horse. She sees her as a young but good horse who is trying to please but is confused.
Now I think my mare has some personal vendetta/grudge against me. I mean why else would she lash out like that to me and only me?
Trainer says she does it because she is trying to tell me shes the leader because she has been lead into me so many times, so she is confused on who is leading who.
I think it would be very wise to sell her and look for another, older, more broke horse for you to learn on
Im not a quitter adn not willing to give up just yet. I am keeping my head up.