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post #311 of 1323 Old 10-20-2015, 02:24 PM
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Do you think she sees just being haltered, brought into the barn and brushed as work?
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Right now, yes- I think she sees it as work. My personal opinion is this: If a horse is doing anything other than what they want to do, when they want to do it...it's work in their eyes. Take that for what it is, just an opinion.

Also, think of it this way. Are you ASKING ANYTHING of her when:
A) You have to halter her?
B) You are leading her?
C) You are brushing her?

With my mare, I ask for her head when putting on the halter. I ask for a lot of things while leading, but I'll just sum it up to "manners" while being led. And while I groom her I ask her to stand still and not fidget. That last one is major WORK for her!
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Doing this will defeat the purpose of going to just hang out with her.

Also, you get the behavior you expect. If you go out there expecting her to misbehave and to need to use the whip, it will happen. Go out there expecting just to sit and take it easy. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised with the results.
Oh didnt know that.

So how do you feel about me carrying my short whip with me all the time when im handling her? Do you think she sees it and sees it as a threat and acts a bit more hot?

I would think by her seeing it in my hand, it would remind her that shes gotten whacked with it before and will get her thinking twice about doing anything bad.

I wont bring it with me when im in her paddock sitting down reading, dont worry.
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Doing this will defeat the purpose of going to just hang out with her.

Also, you get the behavior you expect. If you go out there expecting her to misbehave and to need to use the whip, it will happen. Go out there expecting just to sit and take it easy. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised with the results.
I will have to disagree. There is a big difference between having a whip in your possession because you definitely think she's coming after you, and having a whip in your possession just to be prepared.
It happens on the ground too.

I always think of the latter. Even if my horse is going well under saddle or doing well being lead, I try and have a whip (at previous barns, this barn I just recently re-bought a whip) nearby so that I can use it.

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I do agree that intent is everything and thinking negatively brings upon negative experiences.
One of many experiences with this, is when I realized I forgot to put my helmet on before I got on my horse. My fellow boarder didn't notice either, and when I did and said it outloud, my horse suddenly violently spooked and even though I didn't fall off, I invited him to spook because for a split second I was worried instead of my usual calm self.

Keep it close, OP, but enjoy your horse. Don't fixate on the whip.

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In my opinion If you aren't doing something stupid it's none of his business.

I find it relaxing to just be at my Agistment and around my horse without always demanding something of him.
Wish I could have seen your attachment Rainaisabelle, but alas I could not.

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So how do you feel about me carrying my short whip with me all the time when im handling her? Do you think she sees it and sees it as a threat and acts a bit more hot?
The whip should be an extension of your arm, NOT a weapon. When I say that I prefer a dressage whip because it has more sting to it, it is still in the context of the whip being an extension of my arm/hand. If you are carrying the whip like you're expecting to always have to use it, instead of it simply being part of your arm that you may use or you may not (like your fingers), then you are using it incorrectly and your horse will start to resent it.
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I would think by her seeing it in my hand, it would remind her that shes gotten whacked with it before and will get her thinking twice about doing anything bad.
No. When the horse sees YOU, it should be a reminder that she has to respect you.
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I would think by her seeing it in my hand, it would remind her that shes gotten whacked with it before and will get her thinking twice about doing anything bad.
So you want her to be fearful of the whip? No.

A whip isn't used for whacking horses. It's to cue the horse when you ride and when you are working on the ground.

I honestly have NEVER whacked my horse with a whip on the ground, EVER. Under saddle the most he gets is a tap.

Leadrope, yes... because he was balking. My own hand from him trying to bite me which is rare.

There are other, better corrections... ones that are more logical. I want my horse to like being around me, but also follow my lead. Not to beat him into submission, which won't ever happen. Horses are strong and they are fight or flighters. Fight isn't that far off
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The whip should be an extension of your arm, NOT a weapon. When I say that I prefer a dressage whip because it has more sting to it, it is still in the context of the whip being an extension of my arm/hand. If you are carrying the whip like you're expecting to always have to use it, instead of it simply being part of your arm that you may use or you may not (like your fingers), then you are using it incorrectly and your horse will start to resent it.
But I am carrying the whip as an ext of my arm and im using it as one. I cannot get to her muzzle quick enough with my hand to whack her when she tries to nip so the whip takes care of it.

I dont just go up to her and whack her for no reason.
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So you want her to be fearful of the whip? No.

A whip isn't used for whacking horses. It's to cue the horse when you ride and when you are working on the ground.
But Im using the handle of it, not the whip end. Obviously i do not want her scared of it.

If I cant whack her on the muzzle with my hand, what else can I use? I need an extension of my arm.


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There are other, better corrections... ones that are more logical. I want my horse to like being around me, but also follow my lead. Not to beat him into submission, which won't ever happen. Horses are strong and they are fight or flighters. Fight isn't that far off
Im not beating her. I give her a sharp but quick tap on her muzzle with the handle of the whip, saying NO!
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No. When the horse sees YOU, it should be a reminder that she has to respect you.
Yes and consistent correcting will help me get back there. Im not carrying the short whip with me forever, its for the time being. Then I can ditch it.

Its like lunging, I still like to carry my carrot stick with me when lunging her, sometimes i may not need to use it but I like to have it in my other hand because I know I feel confident using it if i need to.

The whip is reassurance that I can correct her every time and correctly and within that 2 second window.
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