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post #321 of 1323 Old 10-20-2015, 02:21 PM
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But Im using the handle of it, not the whip end. Obviously i do not want her scared of it.

If I cant whack her on the muzzle with my hand, what else can I use? I need an extension of my arm.




Im not beating her. I give her a sharp but quick tap on her muzzle with the handle of the whip, saying NO!
If you are having to do the same to her every single time with no improvement, then your correction isn't working.

A correction is an action used to stop an undesired behavior, or is a different behavior in its place that is desired.

The key there is stop, and improvement.

If your method of "quick tap"ping her on the muzzle with the handle of the whip (how does that even work, I can't imagine that's quick and fluid way of correcting in the first place and horses do not understand english. You might as well be yelling hamburger) doesn't seem to be causing any improvements in her biting from what you've said.

"Strength is the ability to use a muscle without tension"
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It does not matter where you hit her for biting, as long as it is INSTANTLY.
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post #323 of 1323 Old 10-20-2015, 02:42 PM
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Regarding hanging out at the barn and not working your mare: The BO is only concerned with the health and condition of the horses in his care and of getting his monthly board checks. He could care less if you want to come out there and not ride. At my barn, there are two older women who have horses and do not ride. They come out every afternoon, maybe groom their horses, but most of the time they sit on chairs or a trunk and visit with each other or whoever else is in the barn. I spend a lot longer at my barn AFTER I turn my horse out (whether I have ridden or not) to just sit on the barn porch, enjoying the view and quiet. I live in town and I love the county.

I am sure your BO does not give you a time limit of how long you can "hang out" at the barn (within operating hours). I am sure there is not a barn rule that says "If you don't come to ride, don't come". Just do it.

You know why you are there, that is all that counts. Now if you start sleeping there overnight, he may have a cause for concern. :)
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post #324 of 1323 Old 10-20-2015, 03:13 PM Thread Starter
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But Im using the handle of it, not the whip end. Obviously i do not want her scared of it.

If I cant whack her on the muzzle with my hand, what else can I use? I need an extension of my arm.




Im not beating her. I give her a sharp but quick tap on her muzzle with the handle of the whip, saying NO!
If you are having to do the same to her every single time with no improvement, then your correction isn't working.

A correction is an action used to stop an undesired behavior, or is a different behavior in its place that is desired.

The key there is stop, and improvement.

If your method of "quick tap"ping her on the muzzle with the handle of the whip (how does that even work, I can't imagine that's quick and fluid way of correcting in the first place and horses do not understand english. You might as well be yelling hamburger) doesn't seem to be causing any improvements in her biting from what you've said.
I know but the thing is, i dont know yet if whacking her muzzle works or not because it wasnt until yesterday that i got a good solid whack on her.

Basically it hasnt be done near enough to know if its worked. Need to allow more time. Its not until i can get 3 solid whacks that are pretty much instant that ill know
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Couple things I wanted to mention.

Im almost certain once she is in a herd that my BO will not be too impressed if he saw me just hanging out with her in her pasture. He is very particular about people not touching, petting or feeding horses that isnt theres because he doesnt see a need for this. He does have a point about this in probably that hes sick of seeing the kids there go around and pet and treat random horses. Hes put signs up now and it seemed to fix this problem.

Also, another adjustment I made was that Im walking a lot better with my shoulders up and head up OUTSIDE of the barn. There were too many times where i would catch myself not walking firmly and you can bet this bad habit carried over to the barn.

Well I figure if i can continue harping on myself to walk firmly and squared with head and shoulders up in everyday life, it will only be a good influence for when im at the barn.

Im amazed how much more confident you feel when you walk like this!
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ok at the barn, just hanging out in her paddock. sitting on a chair with a book. no handling her today, not askīng anything from her. she licked my seat before i took a seat so its all wet lol. its very good though for her to see new things like my chair, my book etc. This is one thing i want to do with her.

this is giving me immediate flashbacks gokng back to the first few days after i bought her, we just hung out in her paddock at the old barn.


im sure trainer and BO will be like, huh what are you doing?! lol

itll be a nice break for her. she seemed happy to see me, nickered loudly.
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If the trainer/BO don't mind, I'd recommend you use some of your time at the barn to observe lessons or watch people work their horses. You'll learn a lot just watching other people.
Try to identify any other boarders who look like they ride well and whose horses seem well trained. Observe and make friends with those people as they can be great resources and potential riding buddies.

If the BO or trainer is doing something interesting, ask if there's anything you can do to help.
There's lots of things you can do at the barn to improve your skills and knowledge, that don't have anything to do with your horse.

Whenever the vet or farrier are out here, I'm always hanging around watching and asking questions. I don't think it bothers them; they seem to like teaching people who are eager to learn. And even if did, i dont really care. I'm going to do whatever I can to add to my knowledge about horses.
I always try to sit in on lessons. I've learned a lot about client relations from lurking around when my boss is showing sale horses to clients and eavesdropping on my boss' phone conversations (he doesn't care bc he knows I'm just trying to learn). At horse shows I keep a close eye on the warm up pen and watch other trainers schooling their horses before they show. One of my favorite things to do is position myself near other trainers, while their students are showing so i can listen to them coach. I'll even follow them to the outgate when the student comes out of the show pen so I can hear what they say to the student about their run. I don't care if people think I'm a weird stalker girl. Anyone with a brain will realize I'm just trying to take advantage of any good opportunity to learn something.


It's really good to give your mare days off. But that doesn't mean you have to take a day off from improving your self. Try to find ways to broaden your knowledge by getting involved with other things going on at the barn
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Just sitting and watching the herd will teach you a lot about pressure and release.

I love to watch the herd especially when a new horse is introduced.

Enjoy your time to just watch and 'be' with your horse. I do it all the time. And funny thing is; now other boarders are doing the same. And while we all sit we chat and have a cold beverage and discuss horses, training, hoof care, etc. It's is fun!

And I agree with your BO. I don't like people feeding my horse treats in.ess they ask me, and I sure do not want people messing with him
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I only stayed just over an hour, once she was fed dinner I left. Is that fine? I think everyone was like, youre bringing a lawn chair to your paddock? what for?

So Im reading some more of "Think like a horse" by Sheryl Hill and notice on this section - note the red check mark. You can read all of it, but I think where I checked it off sounds awfully familiar to how when she reared last week. It was after I was leading her and her barged into me. When I corrected her by trying to get her over, she reared. But she reared in anticapation just as i was about to correct her. No i did not hit her in the video at the 4min mark but still she could have reared to tell me the reason given in the example? Cause she feels too much pressure and is telling me, enough pressure back off!

Though I did not slap her with the lead in the video, I have in the past and she has reared before from it. This was months ago. It was usually from slapping her with the lead on her chest cause she was refusing to back up willingly.

I have a very strong feeling this is the case and that she is rearing to tell me that she has had too much pressure and is telling me to stop.





These examples are brillian and very clear and effective in showing me how she is communicating with me

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Doing this will defeat the purpose of going to just hang out with her.

Also, you get the behavior you expect. If you go out there expecting her to misbehave and to need to use the whip, it will happen. Go out there expecting just to sit and take it easy. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised with the results.

This is my fiance interacting with my gelding. The extent of my fiance's horse experience was galloping around on a neighbor's pony a couple of times as a kid and riding bareback broncs in high school. On this day, he spent a good thirty minutes with my gelding, just grooming him at liberty while I sat on the mounting block in the middle of the round arena. By the end of it, my gelding (who DOES NOT like men) was following my fiance around like a puppy.





For reference, my fiance is 6'. My gelding is a solid 17hh. My fiance went into this experience expecting my gelding to behave himself and not be a brat, even though he is thoroughly intimidated by my gelding's size.
Thanks for the pics and example.

First off, I decided NOT to bring my short whip with me to her paddock tonight. I brought my book and chair.

Second, I did not do anything with my horse tonight but hang out. I scratched and petted her as she walked by and stopped to see me.

Do you think grooming in her paddock (in liberty with no halter on) would be fine? But if its a hang out day for me, i shouldnt be grooming her at all.

I would love to groom her in liberty but obviously the only place i could do it is in her paddock or in the round pen. What does grooming a horse in liberty with no halter on achieeve that regular grooming (tied in the barn) doesnt?
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