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When i would try to pet her, it seemed she didnt want to be petted and would turn her butt to me. Not aggresively, just slowly.
This is what made me think it wasn't aggressive or disrespectful. I'm reading this as, "She didn't want to be petted (where or how I wanted to pet her) and would turn her butt. Not aggressively just slowly." The last part especially is what makes me think she was wanting her butt scritched.

Aggressive and disrespectful horses tend to move much quicker and with a lot of intent.
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This is what made me think it wasn't aggressive or disrespectful. I'm reading this as, "She didn't want to be petted (where or how I wanted to pet her) and would turn her butt. Not aggressively just slowly." The last part especially is what makes me think she was wanting her butt scritched.

Aggressive and disrespectful horses tend to move much quicker and with a lot of intent.
Well the thing is, when she used to turn her butt to me when I first got her, she was doing it to be disrespectful, I know for a fact and a lot of the time she would turn her HQ over slowly. Its been a long time since shes done this to me so i cant quite remember exactly. Yes there were times where she was more blunt about it but like I said she is cheeky, she has her discreet ways in being disrespectful. Note, this is probably something ill ask the previous owner when she comes out to visit her next week. Because she used to turn her butt to her as well, whether she still did it on the rare occasion after for wanting her butt scratched or being disrespectful is something ill need to ask her.

If she wants her butt scratched, she needs to find another way to ask.

This is what I tried tonight.

I would go up and pet her, she looks a bit uncomfortable and turns her butt to me, then walks off a few seconds later. This whole time she is watching me
from behind.

I re-approach her trying to pet her again and she turns her head, and again turns her butt to me. Walks off a few seconds later.
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I would go up and pet her, she looks a bit uncomfortable and turns her butt to me, then walks off a few seconds later. This whole time she is watching me
from behind.

I re-approach her trying to pet her again and she turns her head, and again turns her butt to me. Walks off a few seconds later.
It's a game called, "He who moves his feet, loses.". SHE was leading YOU.
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It's a game called, "He who moves his feet, loses.". SHE was leading YOU.
I dont get it. Horses do this game?

But I followed her. If I didnt and turned around and walked the other way she would follow me.

She follows me around the paddock a lot, that doesnt nessecarily mean that she sees it as me leading her.
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Don't read too much into it. Just see how she is tomorrow.
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I dont get it. Horses do this game?

But I followed her. If I didnt and turned around and walked the other way she would follow me.

She follows me around the paddock a lot, that doesnt nessecarily mean that she sees it as me leading her.
That is how it got the name " natural horsemanship".... Doing the stuff that horses do naturally....
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That is how it got the name " natural horsemanship".... Doing the stuff that horses do naturally....
Im confused, dont get it sorry.
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It's really hard to say what may have been going on, Hoofpic, without being there to see it.

Maybe she wasn't feeling like being petted today.

OR, were you perhaps stepping toward her shoulder/head, when this would happen? Maybe she was recalling the training you've done with her on leading and stepping her front end away from you, leaving her butt facing you?

What was the rest of her body language telling you? If her ears were pinned or she was wringing her tail, or threatening to kick by raising a leg, then it was a threatening gesture.
Was she focus on something else? Then maybe she just wasn't interested in you and was checking something else out.
Or maybe it was nothing and she just had enough petting

Who knows. Like I said, I wouldn't worry about it, just see how she is tomorrow.


edit;; I won't put up with dangerous behavior for any reason (not saying that I think what she did was dangerous). A horse can tell me he hurts without trying to make me hurt too. They don't get to put a human's safety in jeopardy just because they don't feel well. Especially a mare in heat. I don't get to go around beating people up when I'm on my period, so I don't let that be an excuse for them either. They can be grumpy, whatever, but I expect them to behave the way I've taught them regardless.
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Horses can have their "off" days just like people. Has the weather been changing where you are lately? We've been getting some cooler temps and strong breezes lately and its been making the whole herd (one QH gelding, one GH mare, one Morgan gelding, one small pony gelding, one Quarab gelding) at my barn behave a bit differently than usual. The Morgan is a bit snorty and a more standoffish than usual (he's normally right in my pocket all the time), the mare has decided it is her job to keep the whole group of them hunkered down in a little valley in the pasture when the wind picks up, etc. They all adjust once the temps stabilize a bit and stop this crazy warm weather one day, cold weather the next thing.

I think you're reading too much into this as well. Based on your descriptions, my thought too would be that she may want her butt scratched. Mine do this occasionally and if they first greet me head on and then turn around slowly (so I know they are not wheeling around to kick or threaten), I'm happy to oblige.

I think its also ok for a horse to choose not to be petted if they are loose in the field. If I put the halter on, then its time for them to go to work but if I'm just casually hanging out in their pasture with them and watching them as I like to do sometimes, I leave it up to them if they want to come hang out with me or not. In my experience, if I start to do something I definitely don't need/want their help with like fixing a fence or dumping and scrubbing a water trough that is almost a sure way to get them to come investigate and hang out with me.

Try bringing a book to read and truly just hanging out there without trying to go after her or mess with her at all. You may be surprised to find that she is so curious about you doing seemingly nothing she will come investigate!
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Smacking her will send the same message as the whip? It's still reinforcement.
Smacking her HQ with your hand wont get her attention like a whip would. Im shocked she turned her butt to me today. This hasnt happened in months.

She followed me all over the paddock and could come stand right next to me. But when i went to pet her, she didnt want that.

I wonder if shes soar somewhere. Possibly from being ridden 3 times a week now.

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In my opinion if she's getting disrespectful chase her off and then turn around and walk away. Get a book and start reading and just Ignore her .
See this is why I need to have my whip with me at all times. I just wont know what mood she is in when i get there. Shes a mare, she wont be the same everyday and tonight just showed that even with 2 straight very good and positive days with her that she can very different the next day at any given time.
If you smack her on the HQ in the correct time frame it doesn't matter she would associate it.

You seem to be walking in expecting her to misbehave and she will if that's what you expect from her.
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