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post #381 of 1323 Old 10-22-2015, 03:11 PM Thread Starter
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Hoofpic, don't feel bad. I didn't tell you that to make you feel bad. My goal was to get you to look at the picture a little differently- not so black and white, which I think I did.

And no, I don't blame you at all for not knowing. You don't know what you don't know. I was there once, too. I understand the struggle all too well!

I think it would benefit you greatly to record on video your interaction with her.
I understand. I will be recording a video tonight! Lets see if shes in the same mood as last night (which she seemed happy to see me).
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That first day, when you walked up to scratch her and she turned her butt to you, so you backed off. You just showed her that it was okay for her to tell you to get out of your space. Not only did you obey her, you did so with alacrity. In her mind, she made the connection that if she points her butt toward you, you'll go away. That's probably why it took so long to get her to stop doing it all the time. You should be able to go up to her at ANY time, eating or not. Eating is NO excuse for being rude.
Well when I first got her, I didnt know how to handle butt turning. I was also in the phase of (since just getting her) babying her and treating her like if she was a puppy dog. But this changed quick once my trainer told me I better stiffen up my body language with her and start being assertive with her so I can keep her in line.

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Remember, she has the attention span of a 2-3yo child right now. She could very well have been asking for scratches, but since you didn't oblige, she lost interest quickly and wandered off.
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. My best friend's mare LOVES to have her withers scratched. She'll come up and ask politely (aligning her withers/shoulders with you), but if you don't engage her right away, she'll lose interest and walk away. She won't look at you to "tell" you what she wants. She'll just stand there. Mind you, she's 12, so her attention span is a good deal longer and more focused than a 4yos would be. My gelding, who is 6, loves to have his chest scratched. He'll walk up and stand very close to you with his chest in front of your hand. If you start scratching, great. If not, he'll stay there for a couple of seconds, realize that you're not going to oblige, so then he'll walk away.
Ok interesting, now I know.

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Point is, you are assuming she was being a brat and telling you to go away. We all know what happens when we assume, right?
Cant help but go by past experiences with her. Unintentional of course.

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I would ask your BO to interact with her. Watch him and see what he does. See if she tries the same shenanigans with him. If she does, watch what his responses are. Your BO sounds a lot like my old BO, just without the anger and ******* nature. Good, quiet, steady cowboy who knows how to handle horses. There's A LOT you can learn from someone like that.
Well BO generally doesnt handle horses because hes handicap unless he really has to. He will get near them but he cant lead a horse because he has a prostetic leg. He has his ways to chase horses off, get them out of his space, etc but will never lead a horse.

But I do watch and observe him work with other horses and pick up alot. My mare will often try to get in his space because she sees that he is old and smaller than her, but he gets her to listen easily.
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Trainer recommended this book to me yesterday, ordered it today.

I own about 40 books on horses, and one of the few that I got rid of was by Mary Twelveponies. I hope the one you are reading is better than the one I owned.

As far boots, go down to your local thrift shop and buy a pair of boots that are two sizes too big for $10 and wear them until your toe stops hurting.

One thing this thread has impressed on me is how blessed I am to be able to keep my horses on my own property. It had never even occurred to me that a barn owner might restrict a boarder's choice of trainer or riding instructor. Honestly, I could not deal with with boarding. I wouldn't own horses if I had to get somebody else's permission to do things my way.

I'm glad you're giving your horse and yourself a break. I think you both need it.
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Mary Twelveponies...That name can't be real!

It kind of worries me that your 'trainer' (i hesitate to call her that bc I suspect she's more of a riding instructor than a horse trainer) is having you read a book instead of just teaching you what she think you need to know herself. I think some books can be useful, but you jave to realize that there's a reason you rarely see books written by top trainers--- they're too busy training horses to have the time to write a book. Their time is better spent in the saddle. Most of these people who have written training books probably wouldn't have done so if they had enough clients and horses in training to make a good living. Same goes for the 'trainers' with a bunch of videos and tv shows. That and any good trainer knows that their program is ever evolving as they learn new things and would never want to immortalize something on film or paper for the public, that they might look back on in 5-10 years and say "why did I ever think that was the best way of doing that"
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Enh, it still concerns me that these people are not recommending riding lessons for hoof pic.
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Seeing these images of the aftermath from having an un-booted foot stepped on seriously scarred me for life.

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enh817, that is a terrific lesson, thanks for sharing those horrible photos! I had my bare feet stepped on when I was a kid and got away with nothing but some bruising, so I have been too casual about protecting my feet.

It's another example of Joel's law of stupid --just because you got away with doing something a thousand times, doesn't mean it wasn't stupid every single time you did it.
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Enh, it still concerns me that these people are not recommending riding lessons for hoof pic.
What people? I am riding, one of my trainers mares.
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You just never mention it.....
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Mary Twelveponies...That name can't be real!

It kind of worries me that your 'trainer' (i hesitate to call her that bc I suspect she's more of a riding instructor than a horse trainer) is having you read a book instead of just teaching you what she think you need to know herself. I think some books can be useful, but you jave to realize that there's a reason you rarely see books written by top trainers--- they're too busy training horses to have the time to write a book. Their time is better spent in the saddle. Most of these people who have written training books probably wouldn't have done so if they had enough clients and horses in training to make a good living. Same goes for the 'trainers' with a bunch of videos and tv shows. That and any good trainer knows that their program is ever evolving as they learn new things and would never want to immortalize something on film or paper for the public, that they might look back on in 5-10 years and say "why did I ever think that was the best way of doing that"
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Well it was me who led her to recommending me the book. I told her that im currently reading through "How to Think like a Horse" again and she said shes never heard of it and suggested the one by MaryTwelvePonies and said its an amazing book for people like me handling young horses.
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My best friend's mare does the biting game. She'll bite, then throw her head out of the way faster than you can react. Irritates the hell out of me cuz my best friend LETS her do it and her "corrections" are half-hearted at best.

One night, we were standing there waiting for BA (my best friend) to lead her gelding back into the barn so we could go in next. I had Tinkerbell standing nicely at my right side and was relaxed. She got impatient and bit the back of my bicep HARD to get my attention. I didn't try to smack her. I knew it wouldn't work. I didn't have a whip. All I had was me, her lead rope, her Dually halter (Monty Robert's gadget), and 50' of arena fence. I did the only thing I could do to get her attention. I chased her backward at a dead run down that arena fence.

After I basically backed her into the corner of the arena, I turned around and walked away like nothing had happened, expecting her to follow. That mare has NEVER tried to bite me again. Not even a lip or a nibble. And that was two years ago.
DraftyAiresMum, this is a great post. It would be an effective way to correct Hoofpic's mare's biting habit. It is a losing game to try to have quicker reactions than a horse.

Unfortunately, some trainer told Hoofpic not to back his horse because the mare doesn't like it. That takes a very effective tool out of the toolbox.
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