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post #391 of 1323 Old 10-22-2015, 09:02 PM
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I found this to be a good book by Mary Twelveponies. Anyone else read it?

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I found this to be a good book by Mary Twelveponies. Anyone else read it?

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My trainer recommended me that one too.
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I will upload the video in the morning.

I just groomed her and hung out some more in her paddock.

She seemed really happy to see me again. She didnt immediately turn her butt to me this time but after i took her in and brushed her, and put her back in and hung out. I recorded and she did it once but this time I decided i would scratch her butt instead and she seemed to enjoy it. You can see in the video tomorrow.

But at one time in the video (it goes a bit off screen), she walked by me and purposely bumped her barrel into me. She was testing me but i didnt realize it till after.

Looks like the trainer rode her today.

She gets very rambunchous if you get near her when shes eating her dinner. I was just walking up from a 45 degree angle behind her (not even close, about 15ft from her) and wanted to drop my 1 piece of carrot left on her haypile and she turned her head and acted like she was about to kick out.
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Here you go guys, it was a pretty small file size so wasnt too bad. Sorry, just ignore the last 4 or 5mins or so of he squat down, I was trying to see if she would come back to me but no she was too busy eating grass. Like I said, she will hang out for me for a bit then ditch me haha.

At 1:10 is when she walks by and purposely bumps her barrel into me.

From 2:53-4:53 I was scratching her butt.

https://youtu.be/XY3Vz4sXwxI

And yes I got my mud boots back on, no more sandals! Toe is good enough now for shoes.
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Whoa I just noticed, is she pinning her ears back at me as she turns her butt to me?

Also, she wasnt like this last night. Tonight, on another occasion (not recorded), I went and scratched her bum and she didnt turn it towards me. Last night if i did this, should most likely would have.
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Whoa I just noticed, is she pinning her ears back at me as she turns her butt to me?
No she is not. She's flicking them backwards at you, acknowledging your presence back there while you're scritching. She's enjoying the attention. She also didn't "challenge" you by bumping into you. Horses rub against each other when they're grooming each other. She treated you like another horse, actually a bit of a compliment. This is the LEAST aggressive mare I've seen in quite a while, she's rather lovely.

Now, you've got her "locking onto" you and following you around the paddock and she's asking for attention and you're giving her good attention. BUT, you're waiting until she's had enough and walks away. You want her to WANT MORE, so you need to give her loving and attention but you stop before she's had all she wants and YOU walk away. That way, when you come back she'll come to you for more. Maybe not right away, but she'll learn that she has to come to you and "ask" for attention and it's on your terms not hers.

Also, work on that walk. When you walk away from her, hold your head up, look straight ahead, shoulders back and walk with purpose. Stride out firmly, don't shuffle like a toddler who's just learning to walk, pick up your feet. You want to draw her to you by asking her to follow, walking off with purpose and when you stop, you soften and allow her to come in.

You're getting there, I'm seeing improvement in each video you post.
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No she is not. She's flicking them backwards at you, acknowledging your presence back there while you're scritching. She's enjoying the attention.
Ok good to hear.

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She also didn't "challenge" you by bumping into you.
But you couldnt see (cause she was off camera) her walk off after she bumped her barrel into me and she walked off fast for a few steps in case I was going to whack her HQ. I took it as her purposely bumping into me, then speed up for a bit in anticipation of getting corrected.


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Horses rub against each other when they're grooming each other. She treated you like another horse, actually a bit of a compliment. This is the LEAST aggressive mare I've seen in quite a while, she's rather lovely.
But she shouldnt be treating me like another horse or trying to groom me back. My past trainers have all said that they shouldnt bump you at all when they walk by because theyre getting in your space and not respecting it. If my trainer now saw that she probably would have chased her barrel away and told me to whack her.

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Now, you've got her "locking onto" you and following you around the paddock and she's asking for attention and you're giving her good attention. BUT, you're waiting until she's had enough and walks away. You want her to WANT MORE, so you need to give her loving and attention but you stop before she's had all she wants and YOU walk away. That way, when you come back she'll come to you for more. Maybe not right away, but she'll learn that she has to come to you and "ask" for attention and it's on your terms not hers.
Oh ok thats the secret then eh? So is that why she ditches me after awhile? Cause she got what she wanted and is satisfied? So basically give her attention in short spurts and she will keep coming to me more for more attention.

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Also, work on that walk. When you walk away from her, hold your head up, look straight ahead, shoulders back and walk with purpose. Stride out firmly, don't shuffle like a toddler who's just learning to walk, pick up your feet. You want to draw her to you by asking her to follow, walking off with purpose and when you stop, you soften and allow her to come in.
Ok. Im working on it. Over the past week ive been really working on my walk when im at work, and anywhere, anytime when im not with my horse. I find it really helps. The more I can get used to it outside in real day life, the more natural it will be at the barn. Wearing sandals and runners too often definitely doesnt help, I find they tend to make you wanna walk lazy.

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You're getting there, I'm seeing improvement in each video you post.
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Ok good to hear.



But you couldnt see (cause she was off camera) her walk off after she bumped her barrel into me and she walked off fast for a few steps in case I was going to whack her HQ. I took it as her purposely bumping into me, then speed up for a bit in anticipation of getting corrected.

I saw her speed up. It's because she's used to you taking it as an insult and she's expecting to be hit. I would not have corrected her for that, and I'll explain why in the next paragraph.



But she shouldnt be treating me like another horse or trying to groom me back. My past trainers have all said that they shouldnt bump you at all when they walk by because theyre getting in your space and not respecting it. If my trainer now saw that she probably would have chased her barrel away and told me to whack her.

I disagree, but only a little bit, with this reasoning. It's not fair to let the mare into your space for petting and attention and then get mad and punish her for bumping you. YOU let HER into YOUR space or vice versa, YOU walked up into HER space before she bumped you. I feel that when you are in her space or have allowed her into your space then YOU need to watch HER body language and movements and it becomes YOUR responsibility to get out of her way when she starts moving. Again, basically you've over stayed your welcome because she's moving off.

If she just walked up to you in the pasture with a crappy look on her face and body slammed you or bumped you hard with intent, that's a WHOLE 'nuther ballgame. I would be going after a horse that offered that behavior before they ever got all the way to me.

I also have NO problem with a horse "grooming" me back as long as it's not with teeth. Frequently I will offer my palm to a horse I'm scratching, particularly when I get that "favorite scritchy spot" and they are just beside themselves with enjoyment. They are allowed to use their upper lip to "cookie dust" my palm, when they flick that upper lip back and forth across your palm. They're being Horsey Polite by grooming back. I don't allow teeth, ever. And yes, they CAN learn the difference.


Oh ok thats the secret then eh? So is that why she ditches me after awhile? Cause she got what she wanted and is satisfied? So basically give her attention in short spurts and she will keep coming to me more for more attention.

Yup, you'll learn to watch and you'll be able to tell when you've almost scritched enough but not quite. She'll still be really enjoying your attention but she'll start to look around and start thinking of moving on. Before she can move on, you give her a quick pat and walk off.

With my foals that are skittish by nature, from birth, I go in to their stalls and I ignore them and pet and groom the dam. Then when they walk up (usually on the other side) and get a drink, I reach around and give a quick scritch on the withers or the bum and take my hand back before they can run. I do it several times a day until they don't get bothered by it anymore. Then I'll stand and pet/scritch for 30 seconds and walk away and do that several times a day. Then I do it longer, and pretty soon that foal is chasing me for attention. My favorite "bad habit" that I deliberately teach them is the butt scritch. I have nails. Their little butts are always itchy under that foal wool. I can freeze a foal in their tracks by scritching their butts and getting the itchy spots. It makes it really handy when you need to catch a baby who isn't halter and lead trained. It's a little bothersome when they come whizzing up to you backwards as big horses, but I figure it's a trade off and the new owner can teach them not to do it if they don't like it.



Ok. Im working on it. Over the past week ive been really working on my walk when im at work, and anywhere, anytime when im not with my horse. I find it really helps. The more I can get used to it outside in real day life, the more natural it will be at the barn. Wearing sandals and runners too often definitely doesnt help, I find they tend to make you wanna walk lazy.

The walk in the video is better than the walk in the sandals. Just keep at it and it will become second nature and you'll look a lot more confident, and probably feel it too. Makes you less of a target for bad guys too, they like tentative looking victims.


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Ok, my comments are in the pink above.
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I disagree, but only a little bit, with this reasoning. It's not fair to let the mare into your space for petting and attention and then get mad and punish her for bumping you. YOU let HER into YOUR space or vice versa, YOU walked up into HER space before she bumped you. I feel that when you are in her space or have allowed her into your space then YOU need to watch HER body language and movements and it becomes YOUR responsibility to get out of her way when she starts moving. Again, basically you've over stayed your welcome because she's moving off.
But where exactly did I get into her space and over stay my welcome? I dont see it.

I still believe that if any horse is invited in my space, they dont purposely bump into me. She didnt bump me hard, just a small bump.

Now what if she did this while being on a lead? Would you still be okay with it?

My trainer doesnt even let her sniff my hand when shes on a lead. She will back her up. How do you feel about that?

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I also have NO problem with a horse "grooming" me back as long as it's not with teeth. Frequently I will offer my palm to a horse I'm scratching, particularly when I get that "favorite scritchy spot" and they are just beside themselves with enjoyment. They are allowed to use their upper lip to "cookie dust" my palm, when they flick that upper lip back and forth across your palm. They're being Horsey Polite by grooming back. I don't allow teeth, ever. And yes, they CAN learn the difference.
Ok but if you let a horse groom you doesnt that increase the chance of getting bit?

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Yup, you'll learn to watch and you'll be able to tell when you've almost scritched enough but not quite. She'll still be really enjoying your attention but she'll start to look around and start thinking of moving on. Before she can move on, you give her a quick pat and walk off.
Ok ill try this.

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With my foals that are skittish by nature, from birth, I go in to their stalls and I ignore them and pet and groom the dam. Then when they walk up (usually on the other side) and get a drink, I reach around and give a quick scritch on the withers or the bum and take my hand back before they can run. I do it several times a day until they don't get bothered by it anymore. Then I'll stand and pet/scritch for 30 seconds and walk away and do that several times a day. Then I do it longer, and pretty soon that foal is chasing me for attention. My favorite "bad habit" that I deliberately teach them is the butt scritch. I have nails. Their little butts are always itchy under that foal wool. I can freeze a foal in their tracks by scritching their butts and getting the itchy spots. It makes it really handy when you need to catch a baby who isn't halter and lead trained. It's a little bothersome when they come whizzing up to you backwards as big horses, but I figure it's a trade off and the new owner can teach them not to do it if they don't like it.
Oh ok interesting.


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The walk in the video is better than the walk in the sandals. Just keep at it and it will become second nature and you'll look a lot more confident, and probably feel it too. Makes you less of a target for bad guys too, they like tentative looking victims.
This is why i try not to wear sandals too much, it makes you lazy. My worst habit is staring at the ground when i walk. Stare at the ground and everything else follows. I do this in real life but this week its all changed, night and day difference. I no longer stare at the ground and look straight ahead. I might come off to some people as a bit of a soldier lol cause my back is so straight and head up, shoulders up, but i dont care. I can tell them Im doing it for my mare and thats the honest truth.
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So I watched the video and I only feel like I need to comment on one part..
At around I think 1:10 -1:14 you were giving her a pat or scratch and she started to walk off. She pinned her ears back in my opinion when you raised your voice and hand at her. She was fine walking off like that she wasn't being disrespectful she had just had enough.

That's about it though she seemed to want to be around you which is fantastic.
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