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post #411 of 1323 Old 10-23-2015, 10:25 AM Thread Starter
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What I mean by "you in her space" is that when you walk up to a loose horse, you are walking into their space. When they walk up to you, and you allow the approach, they are coming into yours. It's not "in her space" in a bad way it's just differentiating you going up to her or her coming up to you. Either way, you have mutually allowed the other in your personal space.
i see what you mean now.

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When I say "over stayed your welcome" means she's had enough and wants to leave. When a horse is unhaltered, then it's really their decision not yours.
Oh ok, so when she walks by now and if she happens to brush me, I wont do or say anything for now on.

But you still believe that by her brushing me with her barrel is a compliment cause its a gesture of her grooming me like she would with another horse?

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What I saw on the video was just a brush, not a bump. Semantics again, to me she brushed past you in a not disrespectful way. If she bumped you, I would expect you to have been knocked back a little or a lot depending on the force.
Yes she brushed me but there have been times where she would bump me. Same logic applies in that case?

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No, I would not, because when she's on the lead it's up to ME to tell her where to go, how far and how fast. When I'm working with a horse and introducing new things, I have them haltered and on a lead line or lunge line. Every new thing is scary and their first instinct is to leave. I frequently say, "Nope, you're not allowed to leave. You can stand and look and sniff, but you have to stay with me." We're working then, not "in the horse's living room" just grooming and playing.
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I'm not quite that strict. If your horse has a history of being a mean biter, then I'd probably not allow it either because that kind of horse gets an inch and wants to take an ell. A horse that gives a quick sniff, kind of to make sure it's really you, doesn't bother me. A horse that wants to "sniff search" me, like for treats, is not allowed to do that.
Trainer does it this way because she sees it as when a horse is being led, its work time for them. They cant look around, sniff, because they need to pay attention to you and they can do that stuff when they are not being led.

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Yes and No. Yes if you let them just groom you back where ever and whenever they please. No if you give them the flat of your palm with all fingers and thumb close together and straight, they just get the flat of your palm. If they only have your flat palm, you may feel teeth at first because they use teeth on each other. If you take your hand away and say, "No Teeth", then they get it after awhile and just use the upper lip. It's up to you if you want to allow it or not.
Ok so in my case with her brushing me, do you see that as her grooming me? and on her terms?
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I've looked at the books that are supposed to teach horse body language. Meh. They might be okay if your horse is VERY expressive and definite with their expressions and body language, but if they are less obvious in their body language (like my gelding now is), they're fairly useless.

For example, when you were scratching your mare's butt and were questioning if she was pinning her ears at you or not. A book wouldn't be able to really show you the subtle nuance there between "I know you're back there and am listening to you" and "Get the heck away from me." At least no book that I've seen has made that distinction.

I'm with DA. I learned to read a horse by being out there in the trenches with them, so to speak.
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If you really feel the need, I would use a very short crop like this: Dover's Show Bat | Dover Saddlery

It's small enough to stick in your back pocket and not get in your way. I personally almost never carry or use a crop or whip, unless I'm working. If a horse misbehaves and needs correcting, I'm pretty deadly with the tail of my lead rope. Also, I'm only 5'3" and I can "grow" to be Godzilla sized when they make me mad. My DH says he can see my "mare's ears" go flat on my neck when one of them pushes me too far. It's better for you to study how to be commanding in your body language and presence than to carry a whip.

Sorry, no books, I've learned from the School of Hard Knocks, Broken Bones and Stomped on Feet. Pain makes a lesson really stick!
After some researching, going to order this one. This guy has a DVD version as well.

Such Is the Real Nature of Horses by Robert Vavra. Got really high reviews online. Have to order online unfortunately, sucks. My other book "starting a colt" just got shipped this week.

In the meantime i will have to keep reading "how to think like a horse" by cherry hill.

I regret buying the downloaded version, wish i got the physical book. I might still get it, local bookstore has it. According to the physical copy it is a handbook.

That sick, will that be more effective than my 3ft one now? I do like how yours is pocketable, mine now isnt.
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I've looked at the books that are supposed to teach horse body language. Meh. They might be okay if your horse is VERY expressive and definite with their expressions and body language, but if they are less obvious in their body language (like my gelding now is), they're fairly useless.

For example, when you were scratching your mare's butt and were questioning if she was pinning her ears at you or not. A book wouldn't be able to really show you the subtle nuance there between "I know you're back there and am listening to you" and "Get the heck away from me." At least no book that I've seen has made that distinction.

I'm with DA. I learned to read a horse by being out there in the trenches with them, so to speak.
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But I think books will at least cover the basics and so on. Not so much the sutle ques horses give, cause like you said its dependant on the horse but it should teach me something no?
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I have an arena exercises book by Cherry Hill that is awesome.
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Oh ok, so when she walks by now and if she happens to brush me, I wont do or say anything for now on.
I still don't think you aren't *quite* understanding what they are saying. You are still looking at things as very black or white. In that above statement, as just one example, you are giving yourself an absolute. "I won't do or say anything for now on." It just doesn't work that way with horses.

You should be understanding it as "I'm going to spend time with her without expectation, and if her actions warrant a response, I will give it appropriately." BUT...You have admitted that you are still unsure of what her actions mean. And that's absolutely OK at this point. This ties into what others are saying: All of this takes TIME. Lots and lots of time.
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I have an arena exercises book by Cherry Hill that is awesome.
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This one?



But it sounds like its all for when in teh saddle no? Im looking to do excersizes with her, with her by my side.
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I still don't think you aren't *quite* understanding what they are saying. You are still looking at things as very black or white. In that above statement, as just one example, you are giving yourself an absolute. "I won't do or say anything for now on." It just doesn't work that way with horses.

You should be understanding it as "I'm going to spend time with her without expectation, and if her actions warrant a response, I will give it appropriately." BUT...You have admitted that you are still unsure of what her actions mean. And that's absolutely OK at this point. This ties into what others are saying: All of this takes TIME. Lots and lots of time.
Sorry, dont mean to. Yes I know I need to stop thinking as things being set in stone. I know it never will be and things can be different each time but most importantly unpredictable.

If I feel her action warrants a correct, I will do it. But now at least I know that her walking by me and rubbing her barrel on me is not her being disrespectful and doesnt warrant a correction. Im glad to finally know this because it will happen again.

I just hope as time goes on and she walks by and rubs her barrel on me, she will realize that "hey Im no longer getting whacked for this, Im happy"
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Yes, that's the one I have, though an older version.

I was more commenting that I like Cherry Hill's books than on the specific book itself.
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You can do a lot of patterns you would do mounted on the ground as well, leading over obstacles (ground poles, etc) ., backing, side yielding, etc. You can do stretching exercises for her neck.

Also, I don't always lunge in a circle. I can drive my mare on the lunge line all around the arena and have her go over ground poles (caveletti) as an exercise in trotting.

I am not sure what you are looking at regarding ground exercises.

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