A couple questions - Page 44 - The Horse Forum
 1109Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #431 of 1323 Old 10-23-2015, 10:27 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 5,044
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
Horses just aren't so black and white. I can tell you're a very linear thinker and horses are really more intuitive, so you're going to really have to work on not being so "if X ....then go to Z" in your thinking.
Im in the process of not thinking so systematically.

Quote:
In this ONE case, I didn't see a reason to correct her. To avoid this happening in future, then you need to start practicing the leaving before she does and give her a pat and walk away before she can leave. By doing this you remain in control of the situation and you avoid having her brush/bump you as she leaves. It kind of goes, scritch scritch scritch (oh she's looking at her buddies over there, she'll start to walk away soon), nice little pat on the shoulder or rump or where ever and "Good girl, gotta go now, see you later." as you're walking away from her. She doesn't get the opportunity to rub, brush, bump against you.
Thanks, good example. I started doing this tonight, even though tonight I didnt give her a whole lot of attention cause she was busy eating so I just had a seat near her and let her come to me as she please.

Quote:
In this one case, grooming is what had been going on and they rub against each other all the time when doing that, so ...... I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt this time. It's up to you to make sure it doesn't become a habit, because like anything else you allow it can get carried away and go over the top of what's allowable and what's not.
See I knew it, and this is why Ive always been told NEVER allow any horse to groom you back as if you are a horse.

I remember at the old barn one boarder would always want to show me, her scratching her horse, then her horse will start scratching her back on her shoulder. Thats a huge safety risk and a big no no.

Quote:
I see & appreciate your trainer's thought process in this case, about the sniffing. I'm not that strict because I'm not that concerned about where their attention is, I know how to focus them and get and keep their attention when I want to. I understand she's trying to teach you good, safe habits, and that's a good one. If that's how she works, then go with it, it's not going to hurt anything.
I agree.
Hoofpic is offline  
post #432 of 1323 Old 10-23-2015, 11:02 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 13,987
• Horses: 9
A lot of this is finding, defining and maintaining your comfort zone. You aren't that comfortable with a horse grooming you back or really even putting their muzzle on you. I've had horses since before I could walk, some of my earliest memories were of being tiny and being on a horse. I grew up the typical country kid's way, "Here's a saddle and a bridle, go catch your horse.". And like a country kid, I decided the saddle was too heavy and the horse did fine with halter and lead rope, so I'd go out and halter the horse and climb up, long before I could actually mount from the ground. I learned to stay on by falling off ......... a lot. I learned not to go barefoot by getting stepped on. I grew up not wearing a helmet, falling off and landing on my head and the trainer said, "WELL! That must have made you d*mn near normal.". So now, I'm as comfortable around horses as I am around chickens or cats or dogs. It takes time. And patience.

I don't remember who said it, I'm thinking Tom Dorrance or Ray Hunt. The training philosophy is, be as soft as they let you but be as hard as they make you be. In other words, don't give a big reaction when a little one will do. I've learned over the years that when you're with horses, you're on their time, they're not on ours. So, learn to say, "It takes what it takes. I'm on Horsey Time." and you'll be a lot more satisfied with your progress. You're on a steep learning curve, but you have the desire, so you'll do fine.
anndankev likes this.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is online now  
post #433 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 02:40 AM
Showing
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Chino Valley, AZ
Posts: 16,205
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by anndankev View Post
Here are front and back of my two 101 ... Cherry Hills books.

Also have another smaller one for Advanced Western Exercises (not that I need that one, it is just much smaller size and weight.

Attachment 710514

Attachment 710522

Attachment 710530

Attachment 710538
That second one is the one I have! Love it!!
Posted via Mobile Device
anndankev likes this.
DraftyAiresMum is offline  
post #434 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 03:46 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Palmyra, Wisconsin
Posts: 6,161
• Horses: 4
I haven't read past page 25 but I did watch the video where she barged into you.
Have you tried leading her with you at her shoulder so her head is slightly ahead of you instead of her being behind you? At her shoulder you will be able to easily see/feel what she is planning to do, it's easier to stop her rushing forward, she can't run into you & biting would be difficult because to do that she'd have to swing her head around.
This position also makes it much easier to turn her to the right as you can guide with your right arm on the rope & reinforce with your body.

Some people like to lead with the horse behind them but I'm not one of them. When they are behind you & act up all you can do is react to what they already did instead of preventing it in the first place.
natisha is offline  
post #435 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 11:16 AM
Showing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 13,987
• Horses: 9
Most effective riding lesson there is:
weedlady likes this.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is online now  
post #436 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 12:45 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 3,978
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
Most effective riding lesson there is:
I remember saying to a friend that everyone who rides for long enough falls off, she thought I was ridiculous ;)

I think that if you fall off and still want to get back on you have a true love of riding.
Whinnie likes this.
Rainaisabelle is offline  
post #437 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 12:58 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 5,044
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
A lot of this is finding, defining and maintaining your comfort zone. You aren't that comfortable with a horse grooming you back or really even putting their muzzle on you. I've had horses since before I could walk, some of my earliest memories were of being tiny and being on a horse. I grew up the typical country kid's way, "Here's a saddle and a bridle, go catch your horse.". And like a country kid, I decided the saddle was too heavy and the horse did fine with halter and lead rope, so I'd go out and halter the horse and climb up, long before I could actually mount from the ground. I learned to stay on by falling off ......... a lot. I learned not to go barefoot by getting stepped on. I grew up not wearing a helmet, falling off and landing on my head and the trainer said, "WELL! That must have made you d*mn near normal.". So now, I'm as comfortable around horses as I am around chickens or cats or dogs. It takes time. And patience.

I don't remember who said it, I'm thinking Tom Dorrance or Ray Hunt. The training philosophy is, be as soft as they let you but be as hard as they make you be. In other words, don't give a big reaction when a little one will do. I've learned over the years that when you're with horses, you're on their time, they're not on ours. So, learn to say, "It takes what it takes. I'm on Horsey Time." and you'll be a lot more satisfied with your progress. You're on a steep learning curve, but you have the desire, so you'll do fine.
Im comfortable with my mare putting her muzzle on my hand or arm, she does this to me all the time. Is this a bad thing you say? She will come up and want to put her muzzle on my hand or my arm.

Trainer says when shes on a lead, never let her do this. True/false?
Hoofpic is offline  
post #438 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 01:30 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 13,987
• Horses: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofpic View Post
Im comfortable with my mare putting her muzzle on my hand or arm, she does this to me all the time. Is this a bad thing you say? She will come up and want to put her muzzle on my hand or my arm.

Trainer says when shes on a lead, never let her do this. True/false?
In this area you're getting in to the area of "Ask 10 horsemen for an opinion on a subject and you'll get 20 opinions." And they will all think they're right.

I would follow your trainer's instruction on this, don't let her mess around while on the lead.

As far as where they put their muzzles, as long as I don't feel teeth, I personally don't care where they put them. Some folks feel very strongly that this shouldn't ever be allowed. I say, go with what's comfortable for you and feel free to change if circumstances change.
BearPony and Whinnie like this.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is online now  
post #439 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 01:31 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 13,987
• Horses: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainaisabelle View Post
I remember saying to a friend that everyone who rides for long enough falls off, she thought I was ridiculous ;)

I think that if you fall off and still want to get back on you have a true love of riding.
When I was learning to jump the big jumps, my trainer said that you hadn't ridden hard enough until you'd come off at least 10 times. I think I may have passed that # in the first week. LOL!
Whinnie likes this.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is online now  
post #440 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 09:11 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 5,044
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
In this area you're getting in to the area of "Ask 10 horsemen for an opinion on a subject and you'll get 20 opinions." And they will all think they're right.

I would follow your trainer's instruction on this, don't let her mess around while on the lead.

As far as where they put their muzzles, as long as I don't feel teeth, I personally don't care where they put them. Some folks feel very strongly that this shouldn't ever be allowed. I say, go with what's comfortable for you and feel free to change if circumstances change.
She never puts her teeth on me.

I hate to say it but she was still trying to speed up and block me today. Again, nothing aggresive like that one night from the video but still. Very annoying!

I wasnt going out of my way leading her, just leading her in the barn thats all. But when i did make our way back and even the couple times where she didnt block me, I immediately praised her over hte top.
Hoofpic is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A couple questions. helterskelter Horse Nutrition 2 07-03-2013 04:38 PM
I have a couple questions..... WesternRider88 Draft Horses 10 06-11-2013 03:17 PM
Just a couple of questions TheMayoMat Horse Health 14 10-24-2012 10:44 PM
A couple of questions. Wes70 Horse Training 6 09-18-2012 07:45 PM
Couple of questions Solon Horse Forum Support Help Desk 1 02-08-2010 05:44 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome