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post #441 of 1323 Old 10-24-2015, 10:47 PM
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She never puts her teeth on me.

I hate to say it but she was still trying to speed up and block me today. Again, nothing aggresive like that one night from the video but still. Very annoying!

I wasnt going out of my way leading her, just leading her in the barn thats all. But when i did make our way back and even the couple times where she didnt block me, I immediately praised her over hte top.
Some horses just don't get SLOW. Patti is one of them. I don't care how much I have tried to work with her on slowing down, she just has these long legs and I have to take 3 steps to her 1. What's going on when she's speeding up and moving in front of you? I haven't seen the vid of her doing it, I don't think. Is she trying to get to dinner, or friends, or pasture or???? I know it can be really annoying and it's something that you'll have to work on with her. Sometimes if you can figure out the motivation behind what they're doing it helps.

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Everything just takes time and lots of repetition. Like weeks, even months. Not days.
Training horses is a true test of patience.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. Just look for 1% improvement each time you work with her and after 100 days she'll be 100% better. Those are reasonable expectations.
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Some horses just don't get SLOW. Patti is one of them. I don't care how much I have tried to work with her on slowing down, she just has these long legs and I have to take 3 steps to her 1. What's going on when she's speeding up and moving in front of you? I haven't seen the vid of her doing it, I don't think. Is she trying to get to dinner, or friends, or pasture or???? I know it can be really annoying and it's something that you'll have to work on with her. Sometimes if you can figure out the motivation behind what they're doing it helps.
Today, I was just taking her into the barn and we had to turn right to get around the barn. She anticipated the turn and starting speeding up, when I tried to get ahead and turn to her right, she would keep going straight and not let me turn her right. When I get her to yield away from me, remember im starting off with zero to barely any pressure on the lead at all. But if she refuses and I up the pressure on the lead in the direction away from me, she will speed up so that, that pressure on the lead will be going towards her chest and not away from me. Hope thats not confusing.

The good news is that she hasnt got aggresive like she did that one time in the video, but I also believe that the reason why she hasnt is because Im not doing lessons with her on leading anymore.
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Everything just takes time and lots of repetition. Like weeks, even months. Not days.
Training horses is a true test of patience.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. Just look for 1% improvement each time you work with her and after 100 days she'll be 100% better. Those are reasonable expectations.
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Well after I couldnt get her to yield away from me. I repositioned and moved her to another spot so that i was on her left and from a stop I did a sharp right and she immediately yielded away from me. As soon as she took the first step I immeidately praised her. In fact I got her to do this twice in a row. I might have to work treats into this like I did with the halter. I should be able to solve this issue just like I did with the halter. Big over the top praise when she gets it right, a treat followed by lots of scratches and rubs.

She is VERY good unhaltering now. She does not fuss. Right when I get her to stand for me to unhalter her, she immediately knows what I want and stands until the halter is completely off. And once the halter is off, she still stands for a second or two later before walking off, which is good to see. I still praise her but ive toned it down. Before she would just rudely take off.

Also, another note is that I always unhalter her with her facing the fence. Reason is, I was taught this from my first trainer, so that they cant just take off on you and theres a chance they could kick out and hit you. With them facing the fence, they have to turn away and arent able to just dart off right away.

I have yet to see her lick and chew ever since leading away from me, which is not good to see. She hasnt quiet caught on yet on what im wanting from her.
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Remember, Rome was NOT built in a day. Training is daily for the rest of your partnership with THIS horse. If you bought another, the training would be daily for a different reasons.

She is not bad, nor rogue, she just needs more attention in this barging thing she does.

Be patient and consistent and she will get it right on a more consistent basis.
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And in case anyone is wondering, YES I did carry the short whip with me today when leading her in and out of the barn but I did not bring it with me to the paddock. I did not have to use it today.

Remember, Im in this new mindset where im not thinking of her as a biter and Im not holding her past against her, so im not anticipating it from her.

I really do believe that her biting is a result from her getting annoyed or irritated by me. Since ive toned it down with her over the past week and given her 3 days of us just hanging out this week, I do feel Ive seen gentlier side of her. The past 5 or 6 days she has seemed to be happy to see me, she would nicker or whiny loudly when she sees me get there.

Today I once again, when I go up to her, scratch and rub, but I stop shortly and walk off, then she will follow me.

Also, she was not put back out today in that area that she was in last night, right next to the herd. Confused why the BO didnt do this, I was totally anticipating this as I was going there today. I was almost certain that she would be in the herd tonight. Maybe tomorrow he will put her in that area again, who knows. He said yesterday that she seemed fine, its just her not drinking water from the auto waterer was a concern to him.
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Sounds like you're making progress with her. I liked the video of the Aussie guy doing all the direction changes and stuff to get the horse's attention on him and off whatever thing was distracting him. That works well. I also will carry a long whip (my carrot stick usually) when I am trying to teach a horse not to get in front of me. I carry it across my body and let it just ride in front of them, kind of a visual reminder not to go past X, where the whip is X. I also practice stopping and starting and turning a lot, just to get them on the same page with me. Lots of praise when right, rarely anything negative when they are wrong, unless they are aggressively wrong. Again, soft as they let me be, hard as I need to be to get the point across.

Some horses just don't get the auto waterer things. Most will learn from their peers but, like your BO, I wouldn't put her out with the herd where I couldn't see her drink until I knew she had the hang of it. It could cause a very costly vet bill if he did.
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I liked the video of the Aussie guy doing all the direction changes and stuff to get the horse's attention on him and off whatever thing was distracting him. That works well.
But dont forget (even though I did this exact same thing working with her on it once, over a week ago) I cant anymore because Im only allowed to lead her AWAY from me from now on.

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I also will carry a long whip (my carrot stick usually) when I am trying to teach a horse not to get in front of me. I carry it across my body and let it just ride in front of them, kind of a visual reminder not to go past X, where the whip is X. I also practice stopping and starting and turning a lot, just to get them on the same page with me. Lots of praise when right, rarely anything negative when they are wrong, unless they are aggressively wrong. Again, soft as they let me be, hard as I need to be to get the point across. v
Oh interesting, you just have it sit in front of you leading horizontally?

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Some horses just don't get the auto waterer things.
Why do you think that is?

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Most will learn from their peers but, like your BO, I wouldn't put her out with the herd where I couldn't see her drink until I knew she had the hang of it. It could cause a very costly vet bill if he did.
Well I have a feeling that she wasnt comfortable yet drinking from it yet, either that or she hasnt quite caught on.
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Order that book and video on how to teach tricks. Sorry, I can't remember who does it. Working on teaching her tricks will give you a concrete "cause and effect" to work towards, instead of some vague position/look/move this part....
Have been busy trying to find a good trick book, was thinking about this one. Thoughts?

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Here are front and back of my two 101 ... Cherry Hills books.

Also have another smaller one for Advanced Western Exercises (not that I need that one, it is just much smaller size and weight.
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I found a local bookstore with the 2nd book in stock. Can you confirm that it has a lot of excersizes for on the ground? Since im not riding my mare right now, it would be pointless to spend $30 on a book for only in the saddle excersizes.

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