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post #481 of 1323 Old 10-27-2015, 10:53 PM
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I know and this struck my mind really quick tonight, it worries me if she will detach herself from me when shes in a herd. That would really suck :(

I dont think shes figured out how the auto waterer works. She didnt drink again today and I think this is the only thing hold the BO back from putting her in the herd.

Also, from watching how the herd of 3 interacted with her over the fence. Im a bit worried as all 3 of them will rush up to my mare and my mare will immediately have her head up, turn her butt or start to kick out (not a full kick), then walk away. Yikes. I hope she will be okay if they do turn her out in the herd in the next bit here. I really dont want her to get hurt. :(

Im sure her going into the herd by herself can be a bit scary and unsettling for horses, even worse when you factor that shes only 4.5. If she had a buddy to go in with together, im sure she would feel more comfortable.
Maybe she will be ruler and queen supreme!

Mine is low man. however, he is the fastest in his group. He loves to gallop through the grazing herd and throw bucks and bites as he flies by the leaders. A little passive aggressive if one was to use a human label.
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After the "newness" of being in the herd wears off you will likely find she's more interested in you again. At least that is how it usually goes when I introduce a new horse in with my little herd :)
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... If she had a buddy to go in with together, im sure she would feel more comfortable.
I thought that might be why the BO let the one mare loose that day, so she could get closer to one of the group one-on-one.

I hear that one way to a new horse accepted by the herd is to take 2 on a trailer ride somewhere for a day out. Think that is because in new territory they suddenly become a familiar face, and will want to stick together.

Then when they come home at the end of the day, presto they are already over the newness of being together, and the 2nd horse having already accepted the addition will help the others accept her too. Don't know if it works.

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I know and this struck my mind really quick tonight, it worries me if she will detach herself from me when shes in a herd. That would really suck :(

I dont think shes figured out how the auto waterer works. She didnt drink again today and I think this is the only thing hold the BO back from putting her in the herd.

Also, from watching how the herd of 3 interacted with her over the fence. Im a bit worried as all 3 of them will rush up to my mare and my mare will immediately have her head up, turn her butt or start to kick out (not a full kick), then walk away. Yikes. I hope she will be okay if they do turn her out in the herd in the next bit here. I really dont want her to get hurt. :(

Im sure her going into the herd by herself can be a bit scary and unsettling for horses, even worse when you factor that shes only 4.5. If she had a buddy to go in with together, im sure she would feel more comfortable.
Is the waterer the kind where they have to press on a lever to get the water to flow or is there already some water in the bowl? Have you tried offering her chunks of apples or something she likes in the waterer? Maybe if she 'accidentally' gets the water to come she'll figure it out.

The BO should put her with one horse at a time starting with the top dog instead of just tossing her with the group. I did this with a new one & while it took a bit of time there were no big fights.
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Maybe she will be ruler and queen supreme!

Mine is low man. however, he is the fastest in his group. He loves to gallop through the grazing herd and throw bucks and bites as he flies by the leaders. A little passive aggressive if one was to use a human label.
When I was talking with my BO a couple weeks ago, he thinks that (even though she will be the youngest of that herd) that she could be 2nd up as the one at the bottom right now is the lone mare and he says shes very submissive and doesnt say much. From the sounds of what hes told me about her, it sounds she would be a good fit with my mare. The ones im concerned about is the two geldings. Now I dont know much about them, but I didnt like seeing them chase my mare along the gate when shes somewhat close to it.

I know the BO and trainer are being very cautious and taking their time putting her out in this herd. Theres just so many risks with her being so young and her fiesty "I dont take crap for nobody" attitude and the fact shes going in by her self.

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After the "newness" of being in the herd wears off you will likely find she's more interested in you again. At least that is how it usually goes when I introduce a new horse in with my little herd :)
Oh, how long does the newness usually last?
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I thought that might be why the BO let the one mare loose that day, so she could get closer to one of the group one-on-one.

I hear that one way to a new horse accepted by the herd is to take 2 on a trailer ride somewhere for a day out. Think that is because in new territory they suddenly become a familiar face, and will want to stick together.

Then when they come home at the end of the day, presto they are already over the newness of being together, and the 2nd horse having already accepted the addition will help the others accept her too. Don't know if it works.
Well the BO actually let the one mare loose that day because there are a few horses on the property that can be trusted let loose. No halter, nothing on and they can roam the entire barn as they please. He does this because these 3 horses are older and need as much grass as they can get in a day and he didnt have anymore fields left to put them in. In the winters (and lately because its getting cold now) he puts them in a small field behind his house.

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Is the waterer the kind where they have to press on a lever to get the water to flow or is there already some water in the bowl? Have you tried offering her chunks of apples or something she likes in the waterer? Maybe if she 'accidentally' gets the water to come she'll figure it out.

The BO should put her with one horse at a time starting with the top dog instead of just tossing her with the group. I did this with a new one & while it took a bit of time there were no big fights.
Im not 100% sure but I think its the lever. When horses drink from it, I could hear something mechnically going off lol.

I would have to ask the BO first about doing the apple trick. I really hope she figures it out cause every single field at this barn has auto waterers.
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Have you done much research on herd dynamics?

Are you going to be upset if kicks start flying once she is turned out with the others?
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Have you done much research on herd dynamics?

Are you going to be upset if kicks start flying once she is turned out with the others?
Yes ive done quite a bit of reading on herd operation.

I just dont want her to be picked on thats all.
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If anyone is curious, heres what the previous owner had to say about my mare when she had her in a herd before. SOunds positive. This was from a couple months ago.

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Her previous herd was a bit unique, the majority of the horses are born and raised there, so they have a well established herd order. We have had between 11-13 horses when she was there. When she was introduced, she was still young enough that no one was was very mean to her, but just let her know that she was bottom of the pack. In our herd, if you don't respect your elders, you become an outcast, and we do actually have one horse who refuses to submit, and therefore spends all his time alone now, with the exception of the one horse we bought him with who he is boss of.

So basically she was about 2-3 from the bottom, and she understood that, but she also wouldn't let horses just bite her. She would move off and maybe kick a bit to show that she wasn't impressed. She never really challenged any horses though.

She got along with my gelding very well, but he also gets along with everyone. He is about 4th in charge (with aging horses soon to be top dog), but he will share his food with the younger/smaller horses with no issue. I never noticed any preference to mares over geldings, although her closest friends were the other "adopted" horses that are bottom of the herd because they weren't born there.
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I would expect some kicking and biting to happen atleast for the first 2 weeks while they reestablish themselves. She might get picked on the first couple of weeks but you just have to let them sort it out.
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