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post #521 of 1323 Old 10-30-2015, 06:31 PM
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To get a horse to accept this is THE SAME as teaching a horse to accept ANYTHING. You keep doing it until they accept it. If they are vehemently opposing IT (remember, IT can be anything), you find the spot closest to IT that IS accepted, and you start there, and keep moving closer, until they accept IT.

This process is the same for ears, legs, feet, tails.
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Great news!

She just drank out of the auto waterer tonight and with one gelding right next to it. Yes! Im so happy!!!!! I talked to the BO and shes going out in the herd in a few days! YAY she can finally be a horse and make friends, play, bond, hang out, etc. Ive been waiting for this moment for months. I cant believe its finally happening.

Hes keeping her in the area next to the herd until then so they get more comfortable. She has been 100% retired from her paddock.

I like how he has slowly introduced her to the herd over the span of a couple weeks.

Its just too bad that she will be put out in the daytime and I will be at work :(. Ive been waiting for this moment for months and I would do anything to see this moment. This will suck not being there for the moment cause over the past few days Ive been learning lots and loving watching how the herd communicate. I have no doubt that i would learn a lot from seeing a new horse introduced to a herd. Infact Ive never seen this before in person and it would be something id do anything to experience.

I felt she was hesistating all this time drinking the waterer becuase she didnt know how to feel with the other horses around it (and horses she doesnt know).

I got here and saw no bucket of water and was getting worried! I took her into the barn and gave her a pale of water but she only took a sip. I thought that was odd. After I was done, I put her back and continued to hang out and observe.

Shes getting more comfortable with the horses. The geldings still are showing a lot of interest in her and she will at times turn her butt to them. But shes at least willing to sniff them at the fence (which the past couple days she wasnt). She has engaged a bit more with the horses and will hang out.

Though a couple times when one of the geldings was wanting to say hi, she tried to bite him.

I took her into the barn and gave her a pale of water and she took a sip but didnt drink much. I thought that was odd. I thought she would have gulped it.

Put her back on the area after and just hung out and observed more.

When they were hanging out, she saw another mare sip from teh waterer and I was hoping she would finally do it. She didnt but she was about to and she was watching.



Then when she was done, she took a couple steps forward and went for it!



I bet she feels a lot more comfortable after doing this and knowing the other horses werent going to hurt her.

Talked with the BO tonight and he said hes happy for me. He actually saw her drink from it late last night and again this morning so thats good! He said he was going to take a pic and send it to me haha, what a guy.

He said that she should be fine when he puts her out. She will most likely be the 2nd from the bottom (over top the philly). He even mentioned how much interest the one gelding has shown in her and she would kinda ignore him. But he said they will sort it out and she will be fine, she wont lash out but she will stand her own just fine.

When she goes out, what kind of differences could I perhaps see from her, in terms of her atttiude and demeanour.
Im curious if shes going to be catchable the first time I go out. I might have a bit of a struggle the first while Id imagine cause she will be in too much excitement making new friends.

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To get a horse to accept this is THE SAME as teaching a horse to accept ANYTHING. You keep doing it until they accept it. If they are vehemently opposing IT (remember, IT can be anything), you find the spot closest to IT that IS accepted, and you start there, and keep moving closer, until they accept IT.

This process is the same for ears, legs, feet, tails.
Ok. Do you think it would be beneficial for me to work on this with her? Its not a big deal but it would be nice to be able to give her a lot more attention to her face.

Top of the head she doesnt mind as much haha.
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Honest question - how often do you think I should lunge my mare in a week from here on in? I know its not good for their legs and joints and because solely due to space at the new barn, if I lunge her (no matter it being in the inside arena, roundpen or outside arena), Im not able to lunge her on a full 30ft line. The max is 15ft Id say. Obviously the greater the distance the better it is for thier joints as it doesnt put as much strain on them. But unfortunately at the barn now, we dont have the over abundance of space I had at the old one.

Btw, havent lunged her in a good 2.5-3 weeks now. OVer the past couple weeks Ive given here a lot more days where i dont ask of anything from her and I dont even handle her. I just hang out with her in the paddock. I think this really helps both her and I. If anything mostly her cause now she knows that she wont be haltered every single day of the week. Im very thankful for the people who insisted I give her days off where I dont even halter her, dont bring her in the barn, dont bring her anywhere. Dont ask anything from her. I always thought that the days where I still haltered her to bring in and groom or graze, was seen as days off for her, but its not because im technically still asking something from her. I didnt know this, if I knew sooner I would have done it much sooner. I didnt know how critical this was to the horse in giving them days off where i dont even handle them.

I always thought by me haltering her and bringing her out of her paddock every single day was a benefit to her cause she would get to come out once a day, see new surroundings, get brushed and I would get more experience. And all in all her and I would become closer and more acqainted sooner.

At the old barn when I was at the barn for 8-12 hours a day every Sat and Sun. I would often halter her 3-4 times a day on weekends.

Cant believe it took me this long to find out. Not a single one of my past trainers mentioned this to me. This is dissapointing because this is one of the most critical tips Ive received since having her.
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The only time I lunge a horse is when we're training and then it's only for long enough to either teach a new thing or to just get them focused. Once they're fully saddle broke and know the drill, we don't lunge at all. In your case I would not lunge the mare anymore, period. Your trainer is riding and exercising her and training her on new things. All you need to do at this point is to love on her and groom her, show up for your lessons and keep working toward the day when you actually start to ride your horse. At that point the trainer may have you lunge her for a very short time at each gait and in both directions to get her focused and ready to ride and pay attention to her rider.

Right now, I would love on her and groom her, both in her paddock without halter and lead and haltered and tied in the barn aisle. I'd switch off so she never know which day was for what, that will keep her mind a little busy. Maybe find some games (Pasture Tag) that you can play with her at liberty. Maybe do some trick training a couple days a week for 15-20 mins at a time, then just love on her. For now, I would just concentrate on building that relationship where she trusts you and looks forward to seeing you.
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I'll lunge mine in the late winter after he has had six weeks off due to snow, ice, sleet.....*shudders* as a precursor to legging him up under saddle again. I use it more for a mental reminder to my horse that he ain't on vacation any longer.

Other than that, I don't lunge mine. He knows the drill and we both find it boring? Or at least I do.
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The only time I lunge a horse is when we're training and then it's only for long enough to either teach a new thing or to just get them focused. Once they're fully saddle broke and know the drill, we don't lunge at all. In your case I would not lunge the mare anymore, period. Your trainer is riding and exercising her and training her on new things.
And I think thats the most important factor, she is being trained new things.
No need to backtrack with lunging eh?

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All you need to do at this point is to love on her and groom her, show up for your lessons and keep working toward the day when you actually start to ride your horse.
Ok. But this is where Ive been wanting to do fun excersizes with her (whether its obstacles or tricks) for now on.

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Right now, I would love on her and groom her, both in her paddock without halter and lead and haltered and tied in the barn aisle. I'd switch off so she never know which day was for what, that will keep her mind a little busy.
I see what you mean but I wont be able to groom her in her paddock for long because she will be in the herd in the next 2-3 days. Or do you think it would be ok to do it in the field with her herd there?

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Maybe find some games (Pasture Tag) that you can play with her at liberty. Maybe do some trick training a couple days a week for 15-20 mins at a time, then just love on her. For now, I would just concentrate on building that relationship where she trusts you and looks forward to seeing you.
Games that I can play with her at liberty, yes I would love to do this. I am looking into it right now. Im a huge fan of all this liberty training but doesnt it take years to achieve this?

Same with trick training, Ive actually done a bit of clicker training with her (3 times over the span of a couple weeks) where I would get her to touch a target (I used a pylon) with her nose. She did great. I also used clicker training on getting her to do flexions and she did great. I put this off for a bit because (over the past couple weeks) I wanted to associate a word in place of the clicker as I find it would be more convenient. So my word that ive been trying to teach her is "good".

I would first go in her paddock and have her face me and say "good" and treat a carrot. I did this a few times and again the next day and the next day. i was hoping she would catch on but Im not sure if she is. After the first few days doing this, I started spreading out this word associating to every 2nd day (cause I was worried if I gave her treats everyday she would start seeing me as a vending machine).

I have yet see her lick and chew and worried she hasnt quite caught on. Usually it shouldnt take long at all. Ive even allowed more time to pass inbetween each time I click and treat. But the past couple times, (because Im still working with her on getting her to lead away from me willingly), each time she does this when I lead her, while she leads away I right away say "good" and treat her and give over the top praise. I think she may be catching on with this (she did with the unhaltering and pretty quick).

But I need to make sure she knows what it means when I say "good" and that it means a reward is coming and a treat is the form of the reward. So that when I do something with her and I say "good" and praise her, she will know. And eventually I can phase out the treats and just say "good" and give her scratches and rubs and she will know the scratches and rubs are the reward. Hope im not talking mumbo jumbo here.

Anyways Im hoping by doing some fun stuff with her that it will bring us closer together. You think this can happen?
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Make sure you get to know her pasture mates, too. Not as intimately as you know you're mare, but so that they know that you are not to be pestered/bothered/messed with, and you feel confident going into her field.

My gelding has one pasture mate who is a menace. I have to be extra on guard with him.
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I'll lunge mine in the late winter after he has had six weeks off due to snow, ice, sleet.....*shudders* as a precursor to legging him up under saddle again. I use it more for a mental reminder to my horse that he ain't on vacation any longer.

Other than that, I don't lunge mine. He knows the drill and we both find it boring? Or at least I do.
I will admit, I do find it boring and tedious as well. I dont exactly enjoy lunging. I remember the very first time I was taught to lunge (back in Feb when I didnt even have my mare) and was lunging a wild mare on a 30ft line, I was getting dizzy and my trainer at the time made me do it for almost an hour. I felt sick afterwards and kept asking to myself, what the hell did I just do? That wasnt fun at all! But as time went on I did start to tolerate it more.

Im not proud of lunging my mare because I really do not like doing it for the sole reason of it being hard on their joints. And considering my mare is still growing, I would rather not lunge her if I had the option.

But is there are credibility to someone who says that you lunge to work on their trot, canter and walk rythym?

Isnt there some proof that a horse can get in sync with their owner when the owner lunges them?
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It can help with rhythm ONLY IF you can control the rhythm and keep them in it.

I do not think they sync up with you when you lunge them, unless you KNOW how to do that. It does not just happen.
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