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post #561 of 1323 Old 11-03-2015, 07:57 AM Thread Starter
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Hanging out with my mare in her field, good or bad idea?

I have some ladies on another board going crazy saying how I shouldnt be doing this and doing no hanging out with my mare what so ever. And that by doing this, when Im in the field I am distrupting things and interfering with the herd and my mare becoming comfortable with her herd members. I didnt hang out with her last night because she was in the area next to the herd, but even then I didnt hang out with her.

Im not 100% entirely sure on what these ladies think about me having hung out with my mare from time to time over the past couple weeks when she was alone in her paddock. But I already know, they dont approve of it and dont believe I should have done it or be doing it.

Ok perhaps they are right, WHEN she is in a herd I perhaps should not be hanging out in the field. They say I should go in, catch her, bring her out and leave right after I put her back in. Perhaps that is true and perhaps with her being in a herd, things have changed as far as me hanging out with her.

They say I should not be hanging out with her because Im attached human emotion to her.

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No wonder you are so confused.
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No wonder you are so confused.
Why?

All I know is, right now Im just a bit annoyed. I understand that everyone will have their own opinions and what not, but when I get told completely different things I get flustered.

I always remember that not everything that everyone says is fact, its all opinion.

Maybe they do have a point, who knows.

They say I keep attaching human emotion to my mare but what they dont realize is its 100% UNINTENTIONAL! I gave examples of how my mare is, from simply going off of what the previous owner told me and they all act like its my words and coming from my mouth. Im just stating what the previous owner told me, whehter or not it has human emotion attached to it or not. Just because she told me that, doesnt mean I view things the same fashion as she does.
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All I know is, right now Im just a bit annoyed. I understand that everyone will have their own opinions and what not, but when I get told completely different things I get flustered.
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The first thing I would do is ASK the BO how he feels about you sitting IN the pasture. His barn his rules.

What I am about to type next is totally, and strictly, MY opinion. I love watching a herd. I love watching the interaction, the play, the discipline, blah, blah, blah. However, I like to do it from a distance. I don't want them to know I'm watching. They may sense I'm in the shadows watching, but I'm not in their space/faces.

As long as the BO is cool with it, she's your horse.
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From what I have been reading in this and other threads is that you take things very literally. When people say things a certain way, you take them at face value and that may not be exactly what they mean.

Example: You're irritated because a couple of people think you shouldn't be in the pasture with your mare. (I think because you think they mean EVER). I said basically the same thing but indicated a time frame and you don't mind what I said.

"Your mare will be fine. She may get a few scuffs, bites and kick marks while she finds her place in the herd, but she'll ultimately find her position in the pecking order. The gelding bit her on the butt because she was being disrespectful. Horses have no truck with disrespect from new or underling members. They will correct them, quickly and severely, and rarely will the new horse need to be corrected more than twice by the same horse. I'd stay away for a few days and let her find her place."

Remember that you're now advanced enough that you're not asking for basic HOW TO instructions that are pretty universal for every horse and now you're getting into the "Ask 10 Horsepeople" category and you're going to get answers all over the map because people do what works for them, or how they've always done it or how they've been taught.

I grew up a horse crazy little girl who grew up in the barn with horses as babysitters. I did all the crazy Horse Crazy Little Girl things, from kissing them on their noses, to crying in their manes when my trainer's father was diagnosed with cancer, to dressing them up for holidays, to swimming in lakes with them, to riding in to town for a burger and parking my horse in a parking spot and ground tying him while I went inside (YES, my guardian angel is bald), to riding the pony into the pool at a posh New Year's Eve party, to riding a horse for the very first time in a Christmas Parade on a dare (I had NO idea if the horse was really broke or not. I got lucky, he was.) BTW that was in 2009.......YOU name it, I've probably tried it. I still expect to do a lot of those things because that's how I like my horses trained. So I pretty much do what I please with my horses and that's a lot of what I'll tell you to do to. Is right, wrong, indifferent? Well, I'm closer to 60 than I am 30, so something has worked ok all these years.

Others, who maybe haven't had the benefit of raising themselves with the aid of horses, perhaps started formal training later in life with an older trainer who was very strict, or is used to using horses for a real job, will have different opinions than me, that's ok too. My trainer that I use to start my youngsters, HATES that my young'uns all want to be your next BFF and in you pocket all the time. But he LOVES how easy it is to sell one of them. He's all about work and train and do the JOB and my horses are all about, "OK we'll do the job because we like to please you. But you HAVE to play with us and spend time with us when we're not working.".

There's pros and cons to everyone's way. You need to take everything in, then run it through your filters to see which ways resonate with you, try them and see what makes you and your horse happiest. There is definitely more than one way to skin a cat or train a horse.
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The first thing I would do is ASK the BO how he feels about you sitting IN the pasture. His barn his rules.

What I am about to type next is totally, and strictly, MY opinion. I love watching a herd. I love watching the interaction, the play, the discipline, blah, blah, blah. However, I like to do it from a distance. I don't want them to know I'm watching. They may sense I'm in the shadows watching, but I'm not in their space/faces.

As long as the BO is cool with it, she's your horse.
I didnt ask the BO but when he saw me hanging out on a chair with my mare in her paddock (and even when she is in the area next to the herd) he was fine with that. He knows that Ive been observing a lot lately and find it interesting and beneficial for me learning and he said he has no problem with that.

Dont think it would be any different when shes in a herd. Though you wont be seeing me bring my chair into her herd.
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Though you wont be seeing me bring my chair into her herd.
Now THAT is thinking like a horse person.

I don't remember if anyone has said yet, "Horses only think of 2 things when they wake up in the morning. What am I going to eat and how can I kill myself?". I'm going to add, "How can I kill you without ever meaning to?" to that list. Taking a chair into a herd situation is just rife with SO many possibilities for the last 2 thoughts that it makes my hair stand up.
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Now THAT is thinking like a horse person.

I don't remember if anyone has said yet, "Horses only think of 2 things when they wake up in the morning. What am I going to eat and how can I kill myself?". I'm going to add, "How can I kill you without ever meaning to?" to that list. Taking a chair into a herd situation is just rife with SO many possibilities for the last 2 thoughts that it makes my hair stand up.
Well Ive always seen it as "food" and "survivial" are the two things that are always on a horses mind and nothing comes ahead of them. But ya pretty much similar to the example you gave.

Just to clarify, you're saying bringing a chair to hang out in a herd is a bad idea right? Well I was never planning on bringing my chair into the herd. I knew it was a bad idea from the start.

Its okay to bring a chair into my mares paddock when is alone though cause theres no other horses around and the whole herd associating is non existant.

Now what if I just hung out in the herd by sitting on one of the bars on the gate? Same thing?

Should I stand outside and observe? Would that make any difference? Or maybe from a distance so my mare cant see me?
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From what I have been reading in this and other threads is that you take things very literally. When people say things a certain way, you take them at face value and that may not be exactly what they mean.

Example: You're irritated because a couple of people think you shouldn't be in the pasture with your mare. (I think because you think they mean EVER). I said basically the same thing but indicated a time frame and you don't mind what I said.

"Your mare will be fine. She may get a few scuffs, bites and kick marks while she finds her place in the herd, but she'll ultimately find her position in the pecking order. The gelding bit her on the butt because she was being disrespectful. Horses have no truck with disrespect from new or underling members. They will correct them, quickly and severely, and rarely will the new horse need to be corrected more than twice by the same horse. I'd stay away for a few days and let her find her place."

Remember that you're now advanced enough that you're not asking for basic HOW TO instructions that are pretty universal for every horse and now you're getting into the "Ask 10 Horsepeople" category and you're going to get answers all over the map because people do what works for them, or how they've always done it or how they've been taught.

I grew up a horse crazy little girl who grew up in the barn with horses as babysitters. I did all the crazy Horse Crazy Little Girl things, from kissing them on their noses, to crying in their manes when my trainer's father was diagnosed with cancer, to dressing them up for holidays, to swimming in lakes with them, to riding in to town for a burger and parking my horse in a parking spot and ground tying him while I went inside (YES, my guardian angel is bald), to riding the pony into the pool at a posh New Year's Eve party, to riding a horse for the very first time in a Christmas Parade on a dare (I had NO idea if the horse was really broke or not. I got lucky, he was.) BTW that was in 2009.......YOU name it, I've probably tried it. I still expect to do a lot of those things because that's how I like my horses trained. So I pretty much do what I please with my horses and that's a lot of what I'll tell you to do to. Is right, wrong, indifferent? Well, I'm closer to 60 than I am 30, so something has worked ok all these years.

Others, who maybe haven't had the benefit of raising themselves with the aid of horses, perhaps started formal training later in life with an older trainer who was very strict, or is used to using horses for a real job, will have different opinions than me, that's ok too. My trainer that I use to start my youngsters, HATES that my young'uns all want to be your next BFF and in you pocket all the time. But he LOVES how easy it is to sell one of them. He's all about work and train and do the JOB and my horses are all about, "OK we'll do the job because we like to please you. But you HAVE to play with us and spend time with us when we're not working.".

There's pros and cons to everyone's way. You need to take everything in, then run it through your filters to see which ways resonate with you, try them and see what makes you and your horse happiest. There is definitely more than one way to skin a cat or train a horse.
I did see this quote from you the first time. Were you meaning to not see her for a few days?

The thing with me taking advice is that before I would always take every piece of advice as if it was correct all the time. But over the past few months I have gradually started to take advice in slowly and not take it seriously until I know its credible advice.

But theres just some people who insist and insist that what im doing is wrong and what theyre doing is right.
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