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post #621 of 1323 Old 11-05-2015, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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The horses are feed strictly out in the pasture?
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Hay and grain?
Yes hay. Theres a few boarders horses who get grain but other than that, only one or two of the BOs school horses get grain and thats cause theyre seniors and need it to keep on the weight.

Remember, I used to have my mare on grain, everyday, for 3 months but wasnt until I moved to this new place where I took her off it as suggested by the BO and trainer after we saw her gain a bit of weight from just a week moving here (which that extra weight is gone now).
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Ok. So my answer for grooming her while eating is this: until you become more comfortable dealing with the herd, able to keep the herd off of you and your mare, I would not groom her while there is hay out in the pasture. The reason is horses do move from one Pile of hay to another. Which results in the horse version of musical chairs. Sometimes the "pushee" doesn't want to leave their pile and the "pusher" insists and heel and teeth can strike.

No need to get in the middle of all that.

If your BO allows you to grab some loose hay when you bring her into the barn to groom, then you can show her that you will groom her while she eats hay.

If he doesn't want you grabbing hay, you can buy hay pellets and groom her while she eats them.
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enh817,

If Im correct, you mentioned that I should only be working one thing at a time with her right? So because Im still doing the word associating with her "good" means reward, (still not confident she has caught on just yet), and say I start doing the food in the bucket in the roundpen excersize either on the same days (one after the other) or do one on one day and the other on the following day. Is this too much information for her to take in?

I dont want to be doing too much at one time or too much too fast. For me, its all about the end result and as long as I can get her to reach where I want her to be thats all that matters. For instance, the unhaltering issue where she used to fuss is a prime example of me gaining a lot of confidence from it and her accomplishing what i asked of her.
Like Whinnie said, I recommended that more for you, than the horse. The horse can learn a lot in one day, or even multiple things at once. But you need to be careful that you aren't trying to do so much that you get yourself confused ;)
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Ok. So my answer for grooming her while eating is this: until you become more comfortable dealing with the herd, able to keep the herd off of you and your mare, I would not groom her while there is hay out in the pasture. The reason is horses do move from one Pile of hay to another. Which results in the horse version of musical chairs. Sometimes the "pushee" doesn't want to leave their pile and the "pusher" insists and heel and teeth can strike.

No need to get in the middle of all that.
I agree. Even though yesterday I was fine going out and catching her, I just brought my carrot stick with me and the herd kept away at a nice distance while I walked my mare up to the gate and took her out.

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If your BO allows you to grab some loose hay when you bring her into the barn to groom, then you can show her that you will groom her while she eats hay.
Dont think he will let me, not sure, but I dont want to ask. I know he doesnt like people just pulling hay from his shed and one of the members here mentioned how BOs are on a strict budget (especially with winter here) so I wont put any stress on him by asking. Instead....see below for the following

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If he doesn't want you grabbing hay, you can buy hay pellets and groom her .while she eats them.
This is actually one of my goals for his winter is to get my mare on vitamin supplements since I know vitamin A, E, omega 3's get depleted in hay when temps really drop. So Im hoping to get her on a vitamin supplement so that she doesnt lack these in the winter. I obviously need to put it in/mix it with her food and because she doesnt get grain anymore thats out the window. So a friend suggested I feed her like 1/3 of a bucket of hay cubes (is that the same as what you suggest...pellets?) and mix them in with that. She said with that little amount each day, it shouldnt be a problem for her gaining weight. But I would be feeding her the vitamins on the hay cubes everyday, or at least whenever im out.

I was planning on picking up some hay cubes this weekend and getting her on it as early as this weekend. Was told its best to soak them though. I would feed them to her while shes tied in the barn isles.
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Just keep in mind trying to groom her and keeping other horses from coming up and wanting her hay, is far different than just walking in to catch her and walking her out.

I have seen a horse that chocked on the hay cubes. I use the pellets myself. In fact I don't grain, I use pellets and Mare Plus (thanks to all who recommended MP for winter eye weep! MP has worked like a charm).

You will have to decide what kind of pellet/cube; orchard grass, timothy, timothy/alfalfa mix, or straight alfalfa. All good fiber, but the alfalfa mix and straight have a higher protein content. The brand I like is Standlee.
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Just keep in mind trying to groom her and keeping other horses from coming up and wanting her hay, is far different than just walking in to catch her and walking her out.

I have seen a horse that chocked on the hay cubes. I use the pellets myself. In fact I don't grain, I use pellets and Mare Plus (thanks to all who recommended MP for winter eye weep! MP has worked like a charm).

You will have to decide what kind of pellet/cube; orchard grass, timothy, timothy/alfalfa mix, or straight alfalfa. All good fiber, but the alfalfa mix and straight have a higher protein content. The brand I like is Standlee.
Ok thanks, pellets it is then :) Thought they were the same. Do you still have to soak them like you would with the cubes?

A timothy or orchard grass is what Im looking for. The hay she eats now already has 10% alfalfa in it.

I will check out Standlee. How much do you feed your horse a day and is it your horses main forage intake or do they get hay as well?

Im sure i will get some people asking me why Im feeding her hay pellets if shes already getting hay flakes. Hmmm...whats the main reason people feed these pellets?

Mine is mainly to distribute her vitamins to her.
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Like Whinnie said, I recommended that more for you, than the horse. The horse can learn a lot in one day, or even multiple things at once. But you need to be careful that you aren't trying to do so much that you get yourself confused ;)
Oh ok thanks. And now with the winter coming, I wont be able to really excersize her unfortunately :(
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Ok thanks, pellets it is then :) Thought they were the same. Do you still have to soak them like you would with the cubes?

A timothy or orchard grass is what Im looking for. The hay she eats now already has 10% alfalfa in it.

I will check out Standlee. How much do you feed your horse a day and is it your horses main forage intake or do they get hay as well?

Im sure i will get some people asking me why Im feeding her hay pellets if shes already getting hay flakes. Hmmm...whats the main reason people feed these pellets?

Mine is mainly to distribute her vitamins to her.
I'll answer tomorrow. This old lady is tired....lol
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You said she doesn't like you to pet her nose. That is touching. You said she wouldn't want to be groomed when she is eating.

It seems to me that when you are offered suggestions, every sentence is pulled apart and argued with. It seems there are a very few to whom you listen at all. If other suggestions don't sit well with you, maybe you should PM those you will listen to instead of posting and getting lots of answers you don't like.
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Hoof pic, you need to come down and be around my horses.....they ALL allow me to do ANYTHING, at ANYTIME, because I SAY SO. If I want to clean feet while they eat, that is what we do. They like to be groomed while they eat, even the 2 month old filly. If I decide time is short, I take them away from food, get what I need to do done, then they can go back to eating. But do you see, it is all at MY SAY SO.
If they do not like it, tough, they do not get a vote. They will get over it. They will NOT threaten me, and have me give in.
These two posts are extremely important it honestly feels like it's a struggle to do the the simplest things with her. My horse does as he is told whether he likes it or not is a different story but I don't care sometimes I have things I have to do and I don't have time to deal with all the temper tantrums.
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I'll answer tomorrow. This old lady is tired....lol
Mine is so he has something to nibble on when my BO brings the herd in to eat twice a day. I tinker with his diet through the year for various reasons. No need to go into all that.

The only reason I mentioned the pellets was you had stated she doesn't like being messed with when eating. By using a small snack size amount of pellets you can train her to accept being groomed while eating.
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