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post #751 of 1323 Old 11-12-2015, 11:41 AM Thread Starter
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I am not really sure where the past fits into this post but I am glad you've realised that.
Well Drafty and Greentree bring up a good point in that I should not be holding the past against my mare, its just not fair to her. She has changed and most importantly is doing exactly what I ask, so its only fair to her to move on and forget about past bad habits of hers and on with the new.

Like Greentree said, if I go see her with the thought of perhaps expecting her to go back to her old ways, she will know it. I need to get these old thoughts off my mind because its not healthy or either of us and then I unintentionally start micro managing her again. This is not what I want.

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I am not really sure where the past fits into this post but I am glad you've realised that.
What I was trying to get across was maybe she doesn't ask because she already knows. People who are having positive experiences usually walk and talk with more confidence and enthusiasm then people who aren't doing so well.[/QUOTE]

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What I was trying to get across was maybe she doesn't ask because she already knows. People who are having positive experiences usually walk and talk with more confidence and enthusiasm then people who aren't doing so well.
Well, she knows that I talk alot and I have changed my walk about a month ago (I told her this, she didnt notice). I know because when I told her, she said "ok"

Hard to say really. Personally I dont think she sees me with my mare enough to notice because aside from inside the barn, she is usually doing lessons or helping the BO with feed when Im outside with my mare.

She knows the changes that Ive put into action since our lessons because I told her. She doesnt notice because when I tell her, she says "ok"

I dont think shes actually seen enough of me doing it and putting those goals in action. If anything I would say the BO sees it alot more than my trainer does since hes always outside and always is around when I catch and lead my mare.
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Honestly, she is not unaware....she just cannot imagine you are still dwelling on this. If you were in high school algebra, and still asking analyzing 2+2, what would you expect your algebra teacher to say?

You have GOT it, and it is time to move on.
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The release IS the reward!! She does NOT require petting or whatever every time she does something basic like this.
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Nothing is difficult to teach a horse. Just establish the behavior, release when you get it, and add the command. So to teach back....give a few snaps on the halter, with increasing intensity until she takes even one PART of a step backwards, drop your arms and relax. That is her reward. Do it again, Etc., EXPECTING her to do it with less pressure each time.
Well actually I would like to teach her to back up from me just saying "back"

I would think this would be a lot more difficult since there is no body language involved. It would be very convenient to be able to back her up by just saying a word.

Hey Greentree, you never responded to my question while back. You said that you feel she didnt kick out at me when she did it in the latest video. What made you feel this way?
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You have to START with the stimulus/response, then add the word, then drop the stimulus. Basic animal training. Do you have a dog training facility in your town? If you can find one, go observe some puppy training classes.

She was acting playful and happy, she swung her head down to buck, and then kicked up. If she had been kicking AT you, her head would have been up, and she may have pinned her ears. PLUS, that pen is so small, she might not have missed.
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[QUOTE=Hoofpic;8246354]Yes Im aware of this and its one of those facts that stay on the back of my mind.



She still tests me. I have a much better eye now for looking out for these things and not letting them slide.

She will always test you.
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You have to START with the stimulus/response, then add the word, then drop the stimulus. Basic animal training. Do you have a dog training facility in your town? If you can find one, go observe some puppy training classes.
Ok thanks I will have to look into it, Im not too familiar with puppy training.

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She was acting playful and happy, she swung her head down to buck, and then kicked up. If she had been kicking AT you, her head would have been up, and she may have pinned her ears. PLUS, that pen is so small, she might not have missed.
Oh I see. Good point thanks. Now I know!

And glad to hear that when I swung the rope after (2secs) she didnt see it as a correction because it wasnt applied right away. Well I hope she didnt take it as a correction! What do you think?

And very glad that I didnt whip her on the butt because had I done that, that would have sent a very bad message to her, am I right? Cause all she was doing was playing and she got corrected for it.

See, this is why Im not a fan of the barn not letting us let our horses loose in the indoor arena (even outdoor). This is one thing that I often liked to do while at the old barn, let her loose in the arena so she can sniff around, mosey around and get her bucks and kicks out.

Its actually really cute watching her take off from a standstill. She is like a little fireball haha. I really enjoyed watching her do this on her own at the old place.

It is really unfortunate that the BO doesnt allow this. HIs reason is that the horse can get injured or injure another horse if they were to be tied up in the tach area. Perhaps a liability issue for the barn itself, but still! We should be allowed to turn our horse loose in the arena! I just dont understand how this is not permitted here.

They may say "well shes already out in teh field anyways, she can run there anytime" Yes she can, but I highly doubt I will ever see my mare taking off back and fourth across her field like a firecracker for 4 or 5 minutes non stop while bucking with her herd mates there. If her herd leader saw that, he might go after her hard and try to get her to settle down. In the arena, I think if anything, its a bit more encouraging for horses to let loose and get their energy out because no other horse is around.

IMO is it NOT very important to have your horse let loose every now and then and get all their energy out? I think it is.

You saw it in yesterdays video. She had a ton of energy held up inside her, thats why she kept going fast. If I had access to the arena and was able to turn her loose, I would have done this, THEN bring her into the roundpen and I would have seen a much more relaxed mare.
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They may say "well shes already out in teh field anyways, she can run there anytime" Yes she can, but I highly doubt I will ever see my mare taking off back and fourth across her field like a firecracker for 4 or 5 minutes non stop while bucking with her herd mates there. If her herd leader saw that, he might go after her hard and try to get her to settle down. In the arena, I think if anything, its a bit more encouraging for horses to let loose and get their energy out because no other horse is around.
Horses play. Her herd leader would not care.
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Horses play. Her herd leader would not care.
Yes, what gave you the idea that she won't run and buck in the field?
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Honestly, she is not unaware....she just cannot imagine you are still dwelling on this. If you were in high school algebra, and still asking analyzing 2+2, what would you expect your algebra teacher to say?

You have GOT it, and it is time to move on.
Ok, time to move on with her.

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Yes Im aware of this and its one of those facts that stay on the back of my mind.


She still tests me. I have a much better eye now for looking out for these things and not letting them slide.

She will always test you.
I know. Didnt say she wasnt.
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My answer was because you wrote "She still tests me" as if you expect there will be a time she will not.
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