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My answer was because you wrote "She still tests me" as if you expect there will be a time she will not.
Dont worry, I know and expect her to constantly test me. Mostly due to her age.
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Yes, what gave you the idea that she won't run and buck in the field?
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Well cause shes still getting to know her herd and there are obstacles in the field like a tire, rocks, few large logs of wood etc. In the arena, its all dirt.
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This came in last night. Looking forward to starting it pretty soon, hoping this weekend.

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Well cause shes still getting to know her herd and there are obstacles in the field like a tire, rocks, few large logs of wood etc. In the arena, its all dirt.
Horses don't think like people. They could care less about the obstacles or whether they know their pasture mates or not. They live in the moment. They play when they feel like it. Anywhere, anytime.

Horses that are in their 20's, 30's, any horse alive no matter what the age, will test a person (and other horses). It is lifelong. It is a matter of herd dynamics which always ebbs and flows. Only the absolute most submissive horse will not try to seek status and try to move up in a herd.
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Horses don't think like people. They could care less about the obstacles or whether they know their pasture mates or not. They live in the moment. They play when they feel like it. Anywhere, anytime.

Horses that are in their 20's, 30's, any horse alive no matter what the age, will test a person (and other horses). It is lifelong. It is a matter of herd dynamics which always ebbs and flows. Only the absolute most submissive horse will not try to seek status and try to move up in a herd.
Oh ok thanks.

So my mare because shes so young wont nessecarily test her owners more than a senior would?
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Oh ok thanks.

So my mare because shes so young wont nessecarily test her owners more than a senior would?
Nothing to do with age. The more dominant the horse, the more they test. You have said your mare is dominant. She will probably always be looking for ways to dominate over you. Little, subtle ways at first. If that works, she will push more. She will probably always be seeking higher status, within the herd and with you. A horse more dominate than she will keep her below him/her. A human who is a dominate LEADER will keep her below him. But if you fall asleep on the job, she will take over.

There are 3 senior horses at my barn, 30+ in age and one of them is STILL top of the heap. Always was dominant, always will be. His bluff is good because he is not as strong as he used to be, but he still maintains his position. He could lose a challenge tomorrow, but not so far.
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Oh ok thanks.

So my mare because shes so young wont nessecarily test her owners more than a senior would?
LOL! She's just get more subtle when she grows up and you know more. Cloney never challenges me directly. He does thing that I might miss if I'm not on my game. It's actually kind of fun. When I'm working with him, in the back of my mind I'm always thinking, "What's he going to try today?" or "Will he skip testing me today?". You never know.
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Nothing to do with age.
The more dominant the horse, the more they test. You have said your mare is dominant. She will probably always be looking for ways to dominate over you. Little, subtle ways at first. If that works, she will push more. She will probably always be seeking higher status, within the herd and with you. A horse more dominate than she will keep her below him/her. A human who is a dominate LEADER will keep her below him. But if you fall asleep on the job, she will take over.

There are 3 senior horses at my barn, 30+ in age and one of them is STILL top of the heap. Always was dominant, always will be. His bluff is good because he is not as strong as he used to be, but he still maintains his position. He could lose a challenge tomorrow, but not so far.
Well goes to show how much the people at the old barn knew. I had a feeling it wasnt due to age but how dominant the horse is. But the people at the old barn kept saying "shes younger so she will test you more"

Yes my mare is dominant but she can be submissive as well. I expect her to test me to the same degree for the entire time I have her.

Do you think dominant horses can become less dominant as they age?
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LOL! She's just get more subtle when she grows up and you know more. Cloney never challenges me directly. He does thing that I might miss if I'm not on my game. It's actually kind of fun. When I'm working with him, in the back of my mind I'm always thinking, "What's he going to try today?" or "Will he skip testing me today?". You never know.
Can I ask what Cloney does in "sutle" ways to test you?

I have a question.

When my mare wasnt in a herd, she would always nicker and whiney at me when she would see me. She seemed happy to see me. Since shes been in a herd, she now never nickers or whineys when she seems me.

Though I do still believe that she enjoys being haltered and me taking her out because every time when I go up to halter her, she will touch her nose to my hand.
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Can I ask what Cloney does in "sutle" ways to test you?

I have a question.

When my mare wasnt in a herd, she would always nicker and whiney at me when she would see me. She seemed happy to see me. Since shes been in a herd, she now never nickers or whineys when she seems me.

Though I do still believe that she enjoys being haltered and me taking her out because every time when I go up to halter her, she will touch her nose to my hand.
He does little things. Like when I come up in the pasture to halter him, sometimes he'll raise his head when I go to halter him. He KNOWS he's supposed to drop his head to be haltered, I'm not tall enough to do it if he doesn't drop his head. So when he does that, I just say, "Ahem." and wait a minute, usually drop the halter down a little lower than usual and he drops his head and let's me finish. I have the lead around his neck and he knows that kind of challenge, to walk away, would have severe consequences. Or.....I'll go to clip his ears for show and he'll lean away from me to see if I REALLLY want that ear. It's never anything huge, he's far to well trained for that, but he has his little ways.

OH THE OTHER DAY! THE SNOT! I went in to weight tape him like I do/have done every week and he decided to be afraid of the tape to see if I'd let him off the hook. Yeah, no. I did laugh so hard my legs got weak, he was acting so silly. But he stood and let me tape him because I wouldn't go away.

Skippy's little show of dominance is, he has to go in the girls barn and say, "HI" to his girls. Never mind that most of them tell him to "****** off" with pinned ears and show him their teeth, but hope springs eternal in the stallion brain. So, I whistle for him at the gate, he comes up and I walk into the yard. First he trots down the girls' aisle and sniffs everybody's nose, then he gets to the end, turns around and trots right back to his stall. Never any issue, never any fuss, but he's showing ALL of us that he's the stallion and in charge. I have to laugh at him because when I just look at him and say, "Skippidee, whut the hades are you doing?" he trots right to his stall and looks like, "Oh shucks, I got caught.". Horses are just too amusing.

Patti has perfect ground manners. Unless the one barn guy who knew nothing and had no clue about taking charge tried to lead her somewhere. Then she took him dirt skiing. Needless to say I ended that little game real quick. Skippy too! That same guy, decided he was going to be like me and lead the stallion with a neck rope instead of the halter. Well, not if you don't have his respect you don't. Skippy blew him off so fast it wasn't even funny. Lead him on a merry chase and played "Pasture Tag" with him in 115 F heat for a while. Did it 3 times. Guy didn't catch on so quick. After the 1st time, I'd have had a halter on him and a whip in the other hand, but nooooooo......It was very amusing to watch. No, he no longer works here. You have to be able to out think a horse.

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