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post #821 of 1323 Old 11-15-2015, 01:28 PM
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You can use tap, as Dreamcatcher does, but FIRST you have to get the response you desire. Don't just start tapping and keep on. Tap, then run your hand down her leg, and get her foot picked up, let it go immediately, back up. (Reward for picking up foot). Then tap, give her a second, run hand down leg to pick up foot, let go immediately, back up.r(reward for picking up foot). See the "give her a second" part? That lets her think about it, trying to connect the tap and the reward somehow.
When she connects the two without you running your hand to pick up the foot, THAT deserves a cookie!

As far as what is too loud.....I rarely get frustrated with my horses, but I WILL get loud. I have a lot of mares. It is like teaching un-potty trained Kindergarteners with teenaged hormones EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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1) Lowering her head when haltering her. I have to ask, is there any benefit to having a horse lower their head when being "unhaltered"?

Yes, if her head is lowered when you remove the halter, she's not flinging it up and trying to pull away. She doesn't need to lower it enough to eat off the ground, just enough so you can comfortably undo it and let it down without having to "dance on your toes" to reach the poll strap. Since she's small you may not have had to experience this.

2. After thinking about it some more, I think once I lower the halter and she lowers her head, I feel I need to give her the treat right away as I say "good"

Yes, that's why I put the treat in my left palm and balance the bottom of the halter there until I have the horse's nose in the halter. I start a little high and then once she's moving to the halter I drop my hand a little bit and let her follow it down, putting her nose in the halter to get her treat. My right hand is pulling the poll strap over the poll (makes the halter a little lopsided for a minute) and when she's got her treat, I use my left hand to hold the cheek strap and help buckle the halter on. Once the halter is on, I say Gooood Gurrrrl again and gently pat her on the neck.

3. Is it safe to go a week without cleaning her feet?

If she's barefoot then yes. If she's shod, I wouldn't.
Thanks will give it a shot today!

She is barefoot.

And Im tall enough for her that I dont need to reach around her poll when unhaltering her.
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Great day today, will report back later.

She had another massage today as her equine massager came out for the first time in 3 months. She also used red light again on her (my mare responds amazing to it).

Great progress in her mucscle building. She has a couple sore spots (from being ridden again) but i was once again show what excersizes to do on her.

She will have another done in a month.
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Oh and her sore spots are nothing nearly as bad as when her left withers was locked up and super tight 5 months ago (2 massages and 2 sessions of red light healed her).
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You can use tap, as Dreamcatcher does, but FIRST you have to get the response you desire. Don't just start tapping and keep on. Tap, then run your hand down her leg, and get her foot picked up, let it go immediately, back up. (Reward for picking up foot). Then tap, give her a second, run hand down leg to pick up foot, let go immediately, back up.r(reward for picking up foot). See the "give her a second" part? That lets her think about it, trying to connect the tap and the reward somehow.
When she connects the two without you running your hand to pick up the foot, THAT deserves a cookie!

Ok but I did it just a bit different today, tell me if this is ok. I did it how Dream suggested.

Tapped her leg, I then did run my hand down her leg but only from the knee down. Then as soon as she makes the effort to lift her foot off the ground, I let go, say good and praise her. Shes really good in lifing once my hand gets closer to her hoof. I didnt pick up her hoof becuase remember Im starting off small. As soon as the hoof comes off the ground, even if just a bit, shes rewarded.

Now, the only mistake I made was that i started with one leg then tried it on all 4. Should I be sticking with just one leg?

I ended up getting her to do it 5 times then we stopped. There were a couple times where she would pick up but paw instead and I was fotunately able to pick up on this quickly and I had to be really careful not to reward her for that.

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As far as what is too loud.....I rarely get frustrated with my horses, but I WILL get loud. I have a lot of mares. It is like teaching un-potty trained Kindergarteners with teenaged hormones EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Ok so getting loud in your voice is indeed fine then.

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Also, I think she already caught on with lowering her head now when being haltered! I did it right this time. Went to catch her, put the lead around her neck, put the halter up to her nose, then lowered it, (she immediately smelt the carrot), as soon as her head went down, I gave her the carrot while verbally praising her and putting on the halter, then physically praised her. Is this right?

Cause later when I went to rehalter her in the roundpen, (unfortunately i didnt have a carrot this time to reward her), I put the halter up to her nose and she lowered her head right away. I still praised her but no treat, I felt bad. Next time ill have one.

Feeding her the cubes was great, shes getting better in standing quietly. I still have to back her up a couple times, but then she sees that if she keeps trying to get to the food behind my back, she gets backed up and I only present the food to her when shes standing quietly.

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I think her herd mates are herd bound. I had my mare out of the field for a good 2.5 hours today and the entire time they were all calling for her like crazy. I hope this doesnt carry over to my mare, really dont want her to be herd bound.

The fillie has bonded with my mare. The owner of her said that she really really likes my mare, every time she goes to catch her, they are always eating off the same pile - which is a great sign! I have noticed this because when I go catch my mare, the fillie will always come up and want to get close but then i will chase her away. She wants to touch noses, but they can touch noses when she comes back, not when im haltering her. Is this too harsh? Not letting her her mates touch noses with her as im haltering my mare? Even when I have my mare out of the field and closing the gate, her herdmates will want to touch noses through the gate. Is this ok?

I think my mare likes the fillie too but I think the fillie is more crazy about my mare than the reverse. My mare has bonded with one of the mares in the herd right over the fence as well over the past couple weeks. Shes also gotten quite comfortable and close with the other 2 geldings in her herd.

When I put her back in today, the whole herd of 4 all followed each other closely like a wolf pack haha.

Also, I mentioned this earlier but didnt get a reply. Because my mare is so good and easy to catch, shes never once ran from me or resisted being caught. Shouldnt this be rewarded every time because shes so good at this? She always spots me from a distance, even well before entering her herd. Once she sees me, her eyes lock on me and she doesnt move and stands perfectly still until I halter her. Such a good girl!

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I wouldn't let the other horse near while haltering. For me, one I slip the halter on it is work time.

I have a friend that went out into her herd of four horses, just to curry and brush them. Well, the horses were all to close the boss pushed another horse, feet started to fly, and the teeth came out. By the time my friend crawled out of the chaos, she had two black eyes, a broken nose, bruised ribs, and two chipped teeth along with a fat lip. Theses were her horses.

You saw how the trainer and BO interacted with the herd.

As I have said before keep the horses off you and your mare.
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I wouldn't let the other horse near while haltering. For me, one I slip the halter on it is work time.

I have a friend that went out into her herd of four horses, just to curry and brush them. Well, the horses were all to close the boss pushed another horse, feet started to fly, and the teeth came out. By the time my friend crawled out of the chaos, she had two black eyes, a broken nose, bruised ribs, and two chipped teeth along with a fat lip. Theses were her horses.

You saw how the trainer and BO interacted with the herd.

As I have said before keep the horses off you and your mare.
Oh ok ill do that.

So if my mare tries to touch noses with her mates when i have her out of the field and im closing the gate, just give her a sharp tug on her lead to get her attention?

I tried it today for the first time, no carrot stick, and I did alright. I just swung the end of my lead to chase the others away. Swung my arm upwards and clucked and it worked pretty good. But I still find the carrot stick a bit more effective because its so long. Its just a bit cumbersome to bring in and carry especially as im haltering.

I know many people there will think me bringing in a carrot stick is overkill but I dont think it is. One time the owner of the fillie was putting her fillie back in the herd (this was when my mare wasnt in the herd, but was in the area right over the fence from the herd) and my mare tried to get close and the owner whacked my mare. She said sorry after though. But if she had a carrot stick with her, you wouldnt need to be whacking other peoples horses right?
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Yay! Sounds like you did really well with her feet!!,, and yes, do all of them
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Dumb question but do you think by me teaching her all these new things that its building respect and trust from her to me?
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