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post #831 of 1323 Old 11-15-2015, 08:47 PM
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I think the more you do not let the horses into your space, they will begin to understand and stay away from you, therefore, the need for the stick will not be gone.

The herd my gelding is in, the other horse don't even look at me. I'm a non entity in their world and I like it that way.

I think a lead rope being twirled with energy is enough to keep most horses at bay. Hence why I like a 10 to 12 foot lead rope.
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Yay! Sounds like you did really well with her feet!!,, and yes, do all of them
but if I did it on say just her front feet, when she has it down pat wont she carry it over to the back feet?
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but if I did it on say just her front feet, when she has it down pat wont she carry it over to the back feet?
No, it won't. Practice every foot. The mind of a horse does not put it together like a human. Totally different thought process.
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I think the more you do not let the horses into your space, they will begin to understand and stay away from you, therefore, the need for the stick will not be gone.

The herd my gelding is in, the other horse don't even look at me. I'm a non entity in their world and I like it that way.

I think a lead rope being twirled with energy is enough to keep most horses at bay. Hence why I like a 10 to 12 foot lead rope.
Well I have a two standard 8ft leads and one custom cut 15ft lead. Also have a 12ft burwash lead from the previous owner but I dont use it cause its too heavy and my mare didnt respond to it nearly as well when doing ground work. Its amazing how much of a difference in effectiveness a lighter lead can make in sending ques and having it being felt in the halter.

I used to use the 15ft all the time but then when my trainer suggested I ditch the stiff training rope halter and the soft rope halter and go back with her nylon halter, she said i should stick with the 8ft lead. She said, once my mare leads good and responds to basic ques like backing and walk on and woah with a nylon halter, there is no need to go back to the rope halter unless im doing groundwork with her. Yes my stiff rope training halter is more effective in getting her response because of the extra pressure points it has, and my mare knows how uncomfy it can get if she resists...but at the end of the day, its the handler that makes the difference, not the halter. The halter will help but only to a certain extent. The good news is that I feel I dont really need to use the stiff training rope halter anymore (yes its the one that Clint Anderson uses and sells). If I do groundwork with her, I feel i can just use the soft rope one.

I do like the 8ft lead when it comes to bunching up and tying around a post, quicker and no excess. But like you said, no excess rope in really using as an arm extension.

I also have my dressage whip I can use, its really long. And I have my flag stick but i wouldnt use this because not every horse is ok with the sound of a flag haha. My mare is fine with having the flag on her body rubbing her but she can stil get spooked by the sound of the flag.

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but if I did it on say just her front feet, when she has it down pat wont she carry it over to the back feet?
No, it won't. They don't come to conclusions like humans.
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When you go up to your mare and she doesn't run away, pet her, say hi, make your small talk and pet her. That's her reward, you can sporadically give her a food treat if you want, but I wouldn't do it every time, not for this. If you decide to teach her to come to the gate when you call or whistle, then especially in the beginning I would food treat, praise and pet.

Remember the personal space bubble, 10-15 ft all around you and your mare or you if by yourself. They don't get to come in any closer and no touching noses. The day that filly irritates your mare and somebody bites somebody and somebody's feet fly, you're likely to get caught right in the middle. So, no it's not harsh, it's smart. Just like little teenaged girls, they can put the phone down long enough to have dinner with the family (or you mare can quit socializing and do some work with you).

And oh my yes, you are building trust and earning respect every time you work with her. You're actually sounding like you're doing a really good job of it.

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No, it won't. Practice every foot. The mind of a horse does not put it together like a human. Totally different thought process.
Ok good to know, thank you.
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No, it won't. They don't come to conclusions like humans.
This made me think of this too. A horse does not learn on both sides of its brain at one time like a human does. So when you practice on the left and the horse gets it on the left and you go to do the same thing on the right and the horse acts like it doesn't have a clue, it's because it doesn't. You have to start at the beginning on the right side just like you haven't taught the horse at all. I'd been working with horses for a long time before I found this out. I kept saying,"It's like there's a whole 'nuther horse.". Well, there kind of is.

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When you go up to your mare and she doesn't run away, pet her, say hi, make your small talk and pet her.
Ok this is exactly what Ive been doing, even when she wasnt in a herd I would always make small talk. Say hi, ask how she is, what shes doing etc while letting her sniff the back of my hand then pet her on her neck, withers, etc, but rarely the head (at least not right away). Its a bit too aggresive IMO, and my mare isnt crazy about hands going right for her face.


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That's her reward, you can sporadically give her a food treat if you want, but I wouldn't do it every time, not for this. If you decide to teach her to come to the gate when you call or whistle, then especially in the beginning I would food treat, praise and pet.
I do eventually want to teach her to come to me at the gate, Im confident this shouldnt be too difficult. I sometimes will whistle at her as I walk up to the gate and she will hear it every time right away. Unfortunately I suck at whistling, I cant do the loud whistle so if i really wanted to teach her a "come to my whistle" command, i will need to buy a whistle.

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Remember the personal space bubble, 10-15 ft all around you and your mare or you if by yourself.

Ill remember that, 10-15ft bubble from me.

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They don't get to come in any closer and no touching noses. The day that filly irritates your mare and somebody bites somebody and somebody's feet fly, you're likely to get caught right in the middle. So, no it's not harsh, it's smart. Just like little teenaged girls, they can put the phone down long enough to have dinner with the family (or you mare can quit socializing and do some work with you).

And this is why I will start carrying my carrot stick with me for now on. If its what i feel the most confident in using to keep that 10-15 ft bubble then so be it.

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And oh my yes, you are building trust and earning respect every time you work with her. You're actually sounding like you're doing a really good job of it.
Thanks, I feel Im doing a good job but the most important thing is that things are improving progressively!

When I come to think of it, you know over the past month my mare and I have gone through a lot of adjusting and a lot of change. Shes now in a herd, has made new friends, Im no longer her herd, Im no longer seeing her everyday (she gets more horsey time and I get to reset my mind), shes put on muscle since being ridden by the trainer and I havent had to correct her or whack her in the past few weeks. And when I do, do it, its no longer a daily task for me.

A month ago I was having to whack her or nip her in the bud at least 1-2 times a day because she went on a nipping frenzy where she would attempt to bite everday. She was testing me everyday. Remember this? Me whacking her muzzle but then she would try to bite then immediately pull her head back so I cant connect. This habit was just as bothering to me as our leading issue. But something mysterious has happened over the past month that has caused this habit to go away!

Well she hasnt tried to bite in a long time (I dont even remember when the last time was) but all I know is that Im not having to correct her every single time that im handling her and its so nice for a change! Because of this Im no longer micro managing her. Before I would go to the barn, see her and anticipate every time handling her, her biting or not leading properly. It was on my mind all the time because it bothered me so much it corupted my mind and Im pretty sure she could sense it.

But now its not, I just go about my business and Im really enjoying my time with her so much more, words cant even describe how dramatically more positive it is for me. Before I was stressed, I was annoyed, I was less confident, I was confused in some ways, there were question marks in my head as to why she was doing this and that.

Now I feel so much better and feel so much more confident. I hope my mare has sensed it and fed off it positively.
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Now I feel so much better and feel so much more confident. I hope my mare has sensed it and fed off it positively.
Do you remember in the beginning I asked if you ever enjoyed any of the time you spent with your horse? I don't have to ask now. That's a HUGE progression!

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