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post #841 of 1323 Old 11-15-2015, 09:11 PM Thread Starter
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Do you remember in the beginning I asked if you ever enjoyed any of the time you spent with your horse? I don't have to ask now. That's a HUGE progression!
I remember and there was a couple others who asked as well. I still enjoyed my time with my mare a month ago and prior, just not on the level I am right now because we have move on with old stuff (ground work) and onto new stuff.

I was so caught up in correcting her on a daily basis that I wasnt able to work with her on new and exciting stuff.

I will still do groundwork for her on occasion but it wont be a weekly thing. Over the past month, Ive done ground work with her maybe once or twice. Lunging can probably be no more than a monthly thing and 10mins at most for both sides. At the old barn, there would be boarders who would lunge their horse for an hour, I just dont see the point.

I really do believe that because my past trainers and I have done so much ground work with her, that shes been ground work and lunged to death. Like many on here said, it was just stale for her and she needed a mental refocus on something entirely new and exciting.

That is why Im so glad to finally be able to move on and teach her new stuff like Ive been doing. New stuff but most imporantly, Im giving her days off where I dont even interfact with her. I cant remember who it is but to the person who said that by haltering her everyday, it achieves nothing and benefits her or I nothing and that she needs days where I dont ask of anything from her. Its once I was told this was when I really changed in terms of how often I see my mare.

I still want to eventually get into obstacles with her and introduce her to new objects like a big rolling ball. Infact one of the girls today had one in the barn today and was using it with her mare and it was a big colour ball and when my mare saw it while being tied, she snorted because she is completely unknown to balls.

Do I want to eventually be able to back up with her in between two poles? Of course!

But the most ironic thing of this all, is the fact that Ive learned this much over the past couple months, and have progressed and actively persued this much action into my plan, that my trainer doesnt know about most of it, in terms of what ive learned and implemented. 99% has come from you guys.:)

I have done TWO lessons with my trainer and my mare, TWO. Thats in two months. Thats nothing. Yes she still managed to teach me a lot in those two lessons, mostly in terms of what methods Ive learned from past trainers to get rid of and what to start doing. But on a day to day progression standpoint, everything has come from you guys.

My trainer knew about the unhaltering issue, and she knows that its been addressed.

She knew about the leading away from me issue, and a month later she still doesnt know that its been addressed.

She doesnt know the 3 things that I just started working on with my mare or how I eventually want to teach her to come to me when called in the field.

She doesnt know how I want to eventually introduce her to new objects and do excersizes like backing up through two poles.

I think (in fact I have a very strong feeling) that she just thinks I come to the barn to brush her, clean her feet and thats it. But nope, its the little things that im teaching her, and brushing is just extra.

I just find it ironic thats all.

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Well, from what you've said, you're not in FULL training with your trainer. It sounds like she rides your horse a certain amount and gives you the occasional lesson. So, if that's accurate, I'm not surprised that she's not real in tune with what you're doing away from her. But also don't be surprised if she's knows more than you think she does, it sounds like your BO is pretty on top of things and they probably talk some.
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Well, from what you've said, you're not in FULL training with your trainer. It sounds like she rides your horse a certain amount and gives you the occasional lesson. So, if that's accurate, I'm not surprised that she's not real in tune with what you're doing away from her. But also don't be surprised if she's knows more than you think she does, it sounds like your BO is pretty on top of things and they probably talk some.
Well I wouldnt say that you need to be in "full" training with your trainer to do stuff like what Ive learned from you guys but when I came to the barn, I did think that she would be my "go to" person for advice and hands on help. I thought the BO would be my secondary person for help and advice.

Remember when I moved here, we all anticipated that they would be the people who would take me under their wings. So far, well that hasnt happened, which is fine! I have no problem with that. Things arent always going to go as planned.

I dont care how I get to where I want to be, as long as I get there, thats all that matters. As long as Im making the steps (which I am) thats all I care about.

Neither the trainer or BO have been my primary resources for help, but thats not a bad thing. I just learn from them in a different way - so far its been from observation from an 3rd person perspective. Even though when I arrived, the BO was quite active in giving me advice here and there, I could tell after the first week or so he really tailed off and just let me go about my business. I think he would love to teach me this and that, non stop, every time I see him, but he knows that he needs to back off in some ways or else I could move to another barn.

You guys may be surprised by this, but him and I dont really talk. We say hi every now and then but nothing more than that really. Sometimes we dont even say hi we are busy doing our own things. He has the trainer and a couple other girls who board there who talk to him a lot on a daily basis and thats because they help him out with feed and barn chores. I still miss doing the feed from the old barn, but I know its for the better in me having that freed up time to learn instead.

You guys have been my go to people for advice and my mental thinking and my dedication has been my hands on help. I learn from mistakes, I make quick adjustments and I learn by repetition. Both my trainer and BO know that I have outside help cause Ive told them. I just said awhile back that I have horse friends out of the city who I talk to everyday. And they seem fine by it.

To be honest Im not sure how much my trainer has picked up on by observing me since I dont see her every time. I think the BO picks up more just because hes always there but Im not sure if he exactly knows what Ive been working on with my mare. I do know that he immediately noticed how well I take care of my mare and I go the extra distance for her.

I mean I cleaned her paddock every single day and even with a 1 acre paddock, I still cleaned it. If I could clean out her pasture field that shes in now, I would do it. Yes it does bother me a bit knowing that a pasture will never be as clean as a 1 or 2 horse paddock but its just something i have to live with. I would love for my mare to have a super clean pasture field every day of the year but fields only get cleaned once a year for the most part at barns. When she was alone, I cleaned her space like people would muck a stall everyday.

If anything, he probably got sick and tired of seeing me everyday haha.

But at the end of the day, my trainer and the BO know that Im not taking horse ownership lightly and that im as dedicated and commited as you will find anyone in wanting to learn and succeed in the horse world.

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Another thing I should mention is that there is a dramatic difference in learning from people on a daily basis vs learning from people on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. Dramatic difference.

With weekly or bi weekly access to help, if things go wrong or you need help with your horse, you need to wait until the next lesson to really address it. So what do you do in the meantime? Its just a big time gap to fill in and let pass. You're at a standstill, your progression comes to a sudden halt. Theres interuptions and disruptions. Its also much harder to stay focused on stuff when you work on it with someone on a weekly or bi-weekly basis vs a daily basis.

The fact Im able to receive advice from you guys on here on a daily basis and immediately make those adjustments and put those actions right into my plan that same day makes a huge impact on how effeciently I learn and progress. Huge.

Because of this, every single time I now go to the barn, I know exactly what I want to do with my mare, what I want to teach her and what my end result goal is. I go to the barn with a purpose and I see each visit as a building block.
With weekly lessons, its hard because you have to wait for advice, wait for help.
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Well, I never had a trainer, grew up way before the internet, and figured it out for myself.
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Well, I never had a trainer, grew up way before the internet, and figured it out for myself.
You guys are the best, I wouldnt be where I am today without this great community. :) Thank you. You guys dont know how grateful I am to be on here.
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Yep most of what I know is from reading articles and observing people. I did have riding lessons when I was 12-14 but I have learned horse riding and horse care are two very different things !
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If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure that horses don't care one way or another if there is poop in their pen/stall. It's more for our peace of mind and our idea of what looks good, that we clean up after them. I think horses probably find comfort in the familiar smell of their excrement, and use it to 'mark' their territory.
I mean, we have plenty of horses here that will pull their hay out of their feeders, poop or pee on it, and still eat it.

Obviously it's better for their feet and legs if they're living on dry ground, but those of us that live in places where it gets muddy know that sometimes that just isn't possible.

The poop in your horse's pasture is nothing to be concerned about.
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Yep most of what I know is from reading articles and observing people. I did have riding lessons when I was 12-14 but I have learned horse riding and horse care are two very different things !
So from the sounds of it, I might not even need my trainer for working with my mare. I might only need her for riding. I seem to be doing pretty good without her, but all thanks to you guys.

I will admit though, Im as commited and dedicated as you can get. The person who is learning, their attitude and drive to learn is what matters the most. If that person doesnt have the dedication, any amount of great information will not do them any good.
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Hey Dream.

This link you gave me is amazing, and I even printed it out to keep as a reference guide to keep in my car and in my pocket at all times.

Understand Horse Body Language and You?ll Unlock the Equine Communication Code

That is a lot of information to take in. Whats the easiest way to remember all that?
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