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post #81 of 1323 Old 10-15-2015, 10:28 AM
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If you're not using a knotted halter, get one. Let's get the leading issue down pat. As you walk with her, suddenly change direction and head back to where you were. Don't wait until she's trying to get ahead of you. Important that you hold the lead about 6' from the halter. When you turn back without warning, and don't look at her but where you're going, she'll get a good yank on the poll. Just keep walking and change direction again. Don't pet her or talk to her. Just continue to do this until she's watching where you're going and follows you on the turns. When leading a horse it should feel like you're just holding a rope with nothing there. Snatching grass. You're working the wrong end. Use a 5 or 6' lunge whip and when she dives for grass give her a good tap on the rump. She may scoot forward so hold on. Proceed to walk and repeat until she's no longer diving. Hold the lead in your left hand and the whip in your right, dip downward. This enables you to deliver the tap and keep walking. She'll get so just a wiggle of the whip will inspire her to not dive. When I walk wither of my horses, they have a signal that it's ok to graze. My hand is placed just behind the halter with a bit of downward pressure. When I bump the halter with the lead they know to raise the head and we'll keep walking.



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If you're not using a knotted halter, get one.
She has 3 halters, her nylon (which is only used for when trainer riders her, I never use it cause she can get away with too much stuff with it on, ignoring my ques), soft rope halter and stiff training halter which is a stiff wire (once I put this on her almost 3 months ago, she is a much different horse cause she hates it because of the extra pressure points but she doesnt resist as much cause of the discomfort it will cause over the soft rope one.

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Let's get the leading issue down pat. As you walk with her, suddenly change direction and head back to where you were. Don't wait until she's trying to get ahead of you.
Just change direction randomly? What does this do?

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Important that you hold the lead about 6' from the halter.
Which I do. Just enough slack for her to feel very minimal pressure on the lead.

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When you turn back without warning, and don't look at her but where you're going, she'll get a good yank on the poll. Just keep walking and change direction again. Don't pet her or talk to her. Just continue to do this until she's watching where you're going and follows you on the turns.
Will have to try this. Is 45 degree turns fine?

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When leading a horse it should feel like you're just holding a rope with nothing there. Snatching grass. You're working the wrong end. Use a 5 or 6' lunge whip and when she dives for grass give her a good tap on the rump. She may scoot forward so hold on. Proceed to walk and repeat until she's no longer diving. Hold the lead in your left hand and the whip in your right, dip downward. This enables you to deliver the tap and keep walking. She'll get so just a wiggle of the whip will inspire her to not dive. When I walk wither of my horses, they have a signal that it's ok to graze. My hand is placed just behind the halter with a bit of downward pressure. When I bump the halter with the lead they know to raise the head and we'll keep walking.
Interesting. Well when she dives for grass, I will either give a sharp yank on the lead (which her head comes up right away which is great) or I will tap my foot near mer muzzle and she gets the message.
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When you are trying to correct her getting ahead, YOU have to get ahead.....so just spin on one heel and go the other direction, like when you are in a hurry to get somewhere, but forget something in your car. This puts you ahead of her with no pulling, yanking, etc.

It will take you a little longer to get somewhere, but you MUST pretend you have ALL the time in the world. Remember SHE knows......
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Video is up. I cut it back from 20mins to 12mins, figured i would rather have you guys view it twice (if wanted) than watch the whole thing. The only parts i cut really is the ones off screen.

It might be a couple minutes, still finishing the upload.

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Wait. You have a WIRE halter?! Who the hell told you to get that?! A stiff rope halter has plenty of bite, even for my big draft cross. There's no way your little 14.2hh mare needs a WIRE HALTER!

Changing direction makes her pay attention to you. When you're walking with someone and you aren't paying attention to them and they suddenly change direction or stop, what happens? You immediately go "Oops!" and pay attention.

Turn 45 degrees. Turn 90 degrees. Turn 180 degrees. How much you turn doesn't matter. It's the fact that you're turning and forcing her to pay attention to you.

Haven't watched the video. It still says it's uploading.

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Wait. You have a WIRE halter?! Who the hell told you to get that?!
I didn't even know that was an actual product. I just did a quick google search for "Wire Horse Halter" and nothing came up, so maybe OP is using terminology that is specific to her barn or something. I can't even picture what that means.
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Wait. You have a WIRE halter?! Who the hell told you to get that?! A stiff rope halter has plenty of bite, even for my big draft cross. There's no way your little 14.2hh mare needs a WIRE HALTER!

Changing direction makes her pay attention to you. When you're walking with someone and you aren't paying attention to them and they suddenly change direction or stop, what happens? You immediately go "Oops!" and pay attention.

Turn 45 degrees. Turn 90 degrees. Turn 180 degrees. How much you turn doesn't matter. It's the fact that you're turning and forcing her to pay attention to you.

Haven't watched the video. It still says it's uploading.
No no sorry, my bad, its a stiff rope halter, NOT wire. You can see it in my video.

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Few things I should mention about the video.

1) When getting her to trot with me, I first started without having to tap her hind or barrel with the end of the lead. I eventually did end up taping her barrel with the lead (as you see later in the video) this is where she made a gesture to bite and i whacked her on the muzzle with the end of the lead.

Then I lunged her but becuase it was such a tight space with the poles in the way i couldnt really push her, so i kept going from a trot to walk, walk to trot, etc. If there was sound you would hear me saying walk, trot throughout the lunge.

You can see, when moving her forequarters she doesnt like the pressure or any hands near her face so i use light pressure.

Moving her HQ was better. WHen i was moving her in circles, that was unintentional, i was actually telling her to stand still but couple times she would curl around. Eventually i did get her to stand still so i could get to her barrel to move her HQ.
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Okay, watching the video now.

The whole trotting on the line thing. Meh. She knows that you're just going to slow down and not make her do it, so she doesn't even bother trying. If you really want her to trot on the line (which isn't a huge deal, in my book), MAKE her. Carry your 5' lunge whip at your left side pointing back and down with the lash tucked up in your hand that's carrying the whip. Start to jog. If she doesn't break into a trot, flick the end of that whip over behind your body and tap her hard on the flank. Do this until she starts trotting with you, then settle back to a walk after a few steps of trotting. Rinse and repeat.

Get those shoulders up and back. Walk like you're confident and in charge. Don't look at her. You lead. She follows. If she doesn't follow, she'll get a sharp yank on the halter to remind her to keep up.

When you're yielding her hindquarters, she's doing it on her terms. You also waited too long to correct her when she put her head down to sniff. The SECOND she even tries to put her head down, you bring it back up. You're body language when you're making her yield is very passive. Shoulders hunched, looking at her head, angled away from her body. Full face her hindquarters, shoulders up and back, and CONCENTRATE on what part you want to move. At 5:35-6 and 5:46-9, what you did was almost perfect! You notice how she moved her hindquarters away without you having to touch her? Because you were looking AT her hindquarters, not her head. At 6:24-38, you're not looking at what part you want to move. You're looking at her head or her barrel, which is confusing her. That's why she's not moving. I can go out, at liberty in the turnout, and yield any part of my gelding's body just by looking at it. You stare at it and think "Move!" That translates to your body language and the horse gets the message.

When you're yielding her forequarters, you're concentrating on the wrong part of the body. It's her shoulders, not her head that you need to pay attention to. Notice how she wants to just turn her head away from you and/or basically walks away from you, not take that step over that you want? That's because you're concentrating on her head and thereby asking her to move head. Concentrate on the point of her shoulder and think "Move!" If she doesn't move it, poke her or put pressure physically on the spot you're concentrating on. The second she gives you even ONE step over, release all pressure.

I am REALLY confused at what happened at 9:25-56! And so is your poor mare!! I saw no infraction (and I watched it literally THREE TIMES) and all of a sudden you're spinning around in her face and chasing her. What did she do? And then when you're lunging her, you need to keep the pressure on if you want her moving faster. You can't put some pressure on, then let her relax, then put the pressure back on, then let her relax, etc. Either pressure for two or three circuits and quit or no pressure and let her just circle you a few times. Either way, you HAVE to be consistent and fair. You're lack of consistency and fairness are what is causing her attitude there. She's saying "Why should I try if it's not going to be good enough?"

Overall, she's VERY good on the lead. WAY better than I expected.

I see a pretty little mare who is trying, but because of a lack of consistency and fairness, shuts down at points or gets distracted. She seems VERY sweet and would absolutely flourish with a fair, consistent hand. She looks like she would do well with showmanship, really, with how she stays right with you and pays attention when you're weaving those poles. Maybe that's something you could look into. Showmanship or in-hand trail.

ETA: The part you mentioned about trying to get her to trot, she went to bite, and you smacked her. I saw none of that. I don't have audio on my work computer, so maybe I missed your verbal cue. However, it just looked like you were starting to walk and then all of a sudden flew off the handle at her. Still, consistent and fair are the way to go, regardless of the amount of space you have. If you can't lunge her at a consistent gait, don't lunge her. Back her up or make her yield.
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Oh Thank you !! I loved it.

You look like a gentle soul, and luckily so does your mare.

Your venture into horsemanship will be sooooo good for you.

You need more rope handling time, and WEAR BOOTS.

I would like to offer a video of mine for you to view. It is made and edited by my son and daughter this past January. I have more clips that were edited out, but do not have a YouTube account or the know how to put anything on it.

I'll try though, and maybe ask you for some tips.

I am not a trainer, so hesitate to make first comments, but am most interested to see what feedback you get, and maybe will chime in.

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