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post #951 of 1323 Old 11-20-2015, 02:54 PM
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Get Horse To Hold Its Own Foot Up

1. Tie to the patience pole
2. Tap back of leg to get horse to lift hoof
3. Hold hoof and start to pick
4. If horse leans, step out from under horse all at once
5. Get clear and let horse figure out if they will fall down or catch themselves.
AHA, see lightbulb moment, and a very clear indication of the problem of online teaching..

So you are not teaching a horse to hold it's foot up by itself, but rather not to lean on you while you do it....as in, situation normal, I hate horses that lean on you as well, so YES I also want my horse to hold its own foot up BUT I am also holding on to it to work on it, but i DO NOT want to be taking any weight on that foot...

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See that is just confusing to me, I want to hold my mares foot, hate 'floppy feet' when I am cleaning. I want her to pick up when I ask, and let me hold her foot in any position that I want so I can get it clean, inspect for damage etc, then let me put it down when we are done....simple
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So when you say they have held it up for you, does that mean they are holding their own foot up, without you holding it? Or you are holding it, they just aren't leaning into you?

I'm with GoldenHorse here, I would never want floppy feet. Now sometimes if I'm really taking my time my mare will start leaning against me. That I don't like- and I correct it.
What I mean by a horse "holding their foot up" is not putting their weight into that leg, which will transfer onto you and you then have to support it with your strength.

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What do you mean, "when she picks her foot up willingly?" Because if a horse picks up it's foot willingly...you never asked for it.
When I ask for it, she picks it up and I dont have to manually lift it up myself.
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Picking hoofs is one thing I love to watch others do so I can observe and from what ive noticed, very seldomly did the horses actually hold their feet up for the person cleaning them.
Well how do you know from watching? There may be times when I look like I am taking her weight, but I'm not.....

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Well how do you know from watching? There may be times when I look like I am taking her weight, but I'm not.....
I can pick up when other people are having their horse lean on them.
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It didn't happen overnight. More like over months.

WORK ON THIS FIRST

To Get The Horse To Pick Up Their Foot

1. Tie the horse to the patience pole.
2. Work on getting them to pick their hoof up as previously described.
3. Do it 2 or 3 times a day until the horse is picking up hoof when back of leg is tapped. HOWEVER LONG it takes.
4. Walk up, Tap back of leg, hold foot for a few seconds, let go, pet, praise and walk away
5. Repeat step as many times a day and as many days in a row as it takes to get an instant response


THEN MOVE ONTO THIS

Get Horse To Hold Its Own Foot Up

1. Tie to the patience pole
2. Tap back of leg to get horse to lift hoof
3. Hold hoof and start to pick
4. If horse leans, step out from under horse all at once
5. Get clear and let horse figure out if they will fall down or catch themselves.
6. Walk away
7. Rinse and repeat as long and as often as it takes until the horse quits leaning on you.

8. Daily, from then on, tap the back of the leg, take hoof, clean it and enjoy not having the horse lean on you. Give horse a reminder as often as needed that leaning results in unpleasant consequences. That can take months, years or even may need a yearly reminder from now on, depending on horse's personality and smarts.

Don't try for perfection. Nobody is perfect and trying too hard only results in anxiety in you AND in the horse, because good enough isn't when you try too hard.

I like Dreamcatcher's info here. I added my 2 cents in the blue and bolded a few things.
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You seriously need someone to stand over you with every interaction you have with your horse and train you. I think you and your mare might be better off if you sold her and got a motorcycle.
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You seriously need someone to stand over you with every interaction you have with your horse and train you. I think you and your mare might be better off if you sold her and got a motorcycle.
That is cruel, rude and uncalled for. JMHO
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Whinnie- come on. Don't fault the guy for wanting to do right by his horse. Not all of us learn the same.
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Hoofpic, you need to pick your battles. If you want the horse to pick her hoof up willingly, work on that. It ****ES me off if my horse makes me bend all the way over to grab a foot. So I worked on that daily, sometimes more than once a day, until I could walk up, tap the back of the leg and they'd pick it up.

It didn't happen overnight. More like over months.

Once I had them picking up a foot when I tapped the back of the leg, then we worked on not leaning on me while I worked with their feet. I have a bad back and I'm doing good to stay bent over long enough to pick a hoof when they aren't leaning on me, if they try to lean, I'm done for days. I can't afford to not be able to walk. Again, because it HURTS me, it ****ES me off if they lean. So when one of them starts to lean over on me. like their 3 other legs just aren't strong enough to hold up their 1200 lbs selves, then I get mad. When I get mad, I get my point across in whatever way I need to and in this case, I step away and let 'em fall like a tower of cards. They can either hold themselves up or they can fall down, their choice and they teach themselves very quickly that it's much easier to hold that leg on their own than to think I might.

It isn't a pipe dream, it just requires that you break it down into small steps, work on one step at a time until they have it and have it without a doubt in your mind, and then go to the next step where you work on that until they get it.

A typical scenario might be:

To Get The Horse To Pick Up Their Foot

1. Tie the horse to the patience pole.
2. Work on getting them to pick their hoof up as previously described.
3. Do it 2 or 3 times a day until the horse is picking up hoof when back of leg is tapped. HOWEVER LONG it takes.
4. Walk up, Tap back of leg, hold foot for a few seconds, let go, pet, praise and walk away
5. Repeat step as many times a day and as many days in a row as it takes to get an instant response

Get Horse To Hold Its Own Foot Up

1. Tie to the patience pole
2. Tap back of leg to get horse to lift hoof
3. Hold hoof and start to pick
4. If horse leans, step out from under horse all at once
5. Get clear and let horse figure out if they will fall down or catch themselves.
6. Walk away
7. Rinse and repeat as long and as often as it takes until the horse quits leaning on you.

8. Daily, from then on, tap the back of the leg, take hoof, clean it and enjoy not having the horse lean on you. Give horse a reminder as often as needed that leaning results in unpleasant consequences. That can take months, years or even may need a yearly reminder from now on, depending on horse's personality and smarts.

Don't try for perfection. Nobody is perfect and trying too hard only results in anxiety in you AND in the horse, because good enough isn't when you try too hard.
Thanks. I printed those steps out and will give it a go tonight. :)

If she leans into me when her hoof is in my hand, and I let go, wont that say that she won?

Those two scenarios you gave, would you say I should start with the first one first? Then when she has that down, do the second? Or do both at the same time?

Im not trying for perfection, just steps in the positive direction. I have the past 2 success stories to reflect back on. Those 2 really gave me confidence going forward.
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Thanks. I printed those steps out and will give it a go tonight. :)

If she leans into me when her hoof is in my hand, and I let go, wont that say that she won?

Those two scenarios you gave, would you say I should start with the first one first? Then when she has that down, do the second? Or do both at the same time?

Im not trying for perfection, just steps in the positive direction. I have the past 2 success stories to reflect back on. Those 2 really gave me confidence going forward.
Do the first one first. That one can be the hardest because just walking up and tapping the back of her leg is actually a pretty subtle cue. It sometimes takes a while before they get it and can respond correctly, consistently.

If she leans into you, you wait until she's off balance and leaning heavily into you and then you basically drop foot and step away and let her fall. If she falls or has to scramble to remain upright and regain her balance, you most assuredly haven't let her win. You don't just let her lean a little, drop it and walk away, you're looking for a dramatic, "HOLY MOTHER he just dumped me!" response as she either falls over or tries to stand back up.

It's kind of like letting your drunk friend use you for support and then stepping away without telling him. Letting him fall flat on his butt, face or whatever. The idea is, you don't want her to trust you to hold her up when she's being lazy.
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