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post #961 of 1323 Old 11-20-2015, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
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WORK ON THIS FIRST

To Get The Horse To Pick Up Their Foot
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THEN MOVE ONTO THIS
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Get Horse To Hold Its Own Foot Up
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That can take months, years or even may need a yearly reminder from now on, depending on horse's personality and smarts.
I know and im not expecting this to be changed overnight or even in a week. I will allow as much time as my mare needs.

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Don't try for perfection.
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Nobody is perfect and trying too hard only results in anxiety in you AND in the horse, because good enough isn't when you try too hard.
I just need to relax thats all. Dont make it into a big event. Just go about it casually.
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Do the first one first. That one can be the hardest because just walking up and tapping the back of her leg is actually a pretty subtle cue. It sometimes takes a while before they get it and can respond correctly, consistently.

If she leans into you, you wait until she's off balance and leaning heavily into you and then you basically drop foot and step away and let her fall. If she falls or has to scramble to remain upright and regain her balance, you most assuredly haven't let her win. You don't just let her lean a little, drop it and walk away, you're looking for a dramatic, "HOLY MOTHER he just dumped me!" response as she either falls over or tries to stand back up.

It's kind of like letting your drunk friend use you for support and then stepping away without telling him. Letting him fall flat on his butt, face or whatever. The idea is, you don't want her to trust you to hold her up when she's being lazy.
Ok. So in the meantime while I am working on scenario #1, if she leans into me, I drop her leg and walk away? But thats in scenario #2.
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This tends to work well with lazy horses. You have to let go abruptly. Like, start feeling her weight, then almost drop her hoof and stand up quickly and step aside. It goes crashing to the ground and they usually don't like it much. They suddenly have to 'work' to keep their balance.

Coco is lazy and starts playing with things while I pick out her feet. If nothing is in her immediate reach she will try untying herself. She focuses so much on that and forgets that her hoof is in my hand. Once I feel a little bit of weight I just abruptly walk away and suddenly nothing is holding her up- then she starts paying attention really well!

Don't be worried about her falling. Give enough lead rope that she can safely fall- if she gets that far. Wait for the look...then she will get up and you two can go along your merry way.



OP- don't even look at scenario 2 yet. Pretend you haven't even seen it. Just worry about scenario 1 right now.
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I think we all got a little ahead of ourselves there...
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This tends to work well with lazy horses. You have to let go abruptly. Like, start feeling her weight, then almost drop her hoof and stand up quickly and step aside. It goes crashing to the ground and they usually don't like it much. They suddenly have to 'work' to keep their balance.

Coco is lazy and starts playing with things while I pick out her feet. If nothing is in her immediate reach she will try untying herself. She focuses so much on that and forgets that her hoof is in my hand. Once I feel a little bit of weight I just abruptly walk away and suddenly nothing is holding her up- then she starts paying attention really well!

Don't be worried about her falling. Give enough lead rope that she can safely fall- if she gets that far. Wait for the look...then she will get up and you two can go along your merry way.
My worry is her injuring her leg or knee when it hits the floor. The good thing is that the barn floor has sand on it and its not a solid concrete floor like in the old one.

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OP- don't even look at scenario 2 yet. Pretend you haven't even seen it. Just worry about scenario 1 right now.
Ok. So as of right now if she leans into me, dont let go, keep holding her foot. Sorry I know Im asking again, but I dont have the best reading comprehension at times.
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Just do this for now:

To Get The Horse To Pick Up Their Foot

1. Tie the horse to the patience pole.
2. Work on getting them to pick their hoof up as previously described.
3. Do it 2 or 3 times a day until the horse is picking up hoof when back of leg is tapped. HOWEVER LONG it takes.
4. Walk up, Tap back of leg, hold foot for a few seconds, let go, pet, praise and walk away
5. Repeat step as many times a day and as many days in a row as it takes to get an instant response


Just focus on the actual picking up of the hoof when you ask. My guess is she will pick it up pretty easily, so you will probably be spending most of your time "perfecting the cue". Once she recognizes your cue over and over and gives you the response you want, move onto having her hold her foot up.

We kind of got ahead of ourselves up there- so once you have finished that go back to these posts about holding the foot- and don't worry about hurting her!
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Just do this for now:

To Get The Horse To Pick Up Their Foot

1. Tie the horse to the patience pole.
2. Work on getting them to pick their hoof up as previously described.
3. Do it 2 or 3 times a day until the horse is picking up hoof when back of leg is tapped. HOWEVER LONG it takes.
4. Walk up, Tap back of leg, hold foot for a few seconds, let go, pet, praise and walk away
5. Repeat step as many times a day and as many days in a row as it takes to get an instant response


Just focus on the actual picking up of the hoof when you ask. My guess is she will pick it up pretty easily, so you will probably be spending most of your time "perfecting the cue". Once she recognizes your cue over and over and gives you the response you want, move onto having her hold her foot up.
Ok Ill do this and ill be doing it on each foot for the next while.

For some reason she doesnt pick up her back feet as easily. She will sometimes kick up the heel on her back feet (what she does when shes relaxed) and if im trying to pick it up and I have to lean into her HQ to get her to listen.


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We kind of got ahead of ourselves up there- so once you have finished that go back to these posts about holding the foot- and don't worry about hurting her!
We did but thats ok.
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You seriously need someone to stand over you with every interaction you have with your horse and train you. I think you and your mare might be better off if you sold her and got a motorcycle.
I learn a bit differently than most people. Im a hands on person but I went to a private school from grades 7-12 for learning disabled children as I was diagnosed with A.D.D and having a learning disability. Im still a very quick learner, but Ive never had good reading comprehension and my writing is even worse. Often I will have to read posts on here two or three times to make sure I understand it right. It doesnt make me any different.
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Ok. So in the meantime while I am working on scenario #1, if she leans into me, I drop her leg and walk away? But thats in scenario #2.
Like the others have said, work on #1 until she gets it, however long it takes. I gave you number 2 because you're a linear thinker, but I forgot to say not to move on to that one before #1 is fully ingrained in her. I forgot that you also tend to try to run before you walk. It's ok, they gave you the right answers and got you headed the right direction.

So, my 3 key points that are the most important for you to get are:

#1. Relax,don't try so hard - someone else mentioned the pawing as an anxiety mechanism for the horse. It can be anxiety or she can be asking a question. I'm not there, I can't tell you which one it is, but if you are feeling anxious, my money is on anxiety.

#2. Be calm, patient and repetitious without going overboard into being OCD, that's the best way they learn

#3. Do everything in small steps and in progression. Be consistent.

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For some reason she doesnt pick up her back feet as easily.
Horses are always more defensive of their back ends and hind feet. That frequently where a mountain lion will jump them and latch on to them. If they don't have their hind feet free, they can't kick. It's a survival thing. It can also be a "Does he realllllly mean it" thing too. Just keep making her give it to you. If she gets kind of stubborn about it, don't be afraid to tap her with the crop on her butt, hard enough to make it sting. Just be ready for the kick and stay out of the way. Then whack her again for kicking. That will be a sign that you need more work on desensitizing her back end. If it comes to that, I'll tell you how I do it with the foals, so you don't get clobbered.

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