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post #971 of 1323 Old 11-20-2015, 09:15 PM
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I learn a bit differently than most people. Im a hands on person but I went to a private school from grades 7-12 for learning disabled children as I was diagnosed with A.D.D and having a learning disability. Im still a very quick learner, but Ive never had good reading comprehension and my writing is even worse. Often I will have to read posts on here two or three times to make sure I understand it right. It doesnt make me any different.
I can tell you're a bit ADD or hard to focus. Seems like you may have a bit of OCD going there too. The ADD isn't a bad thing with horses, you kind of think like they do......SQUIRREL......and they're off on another path.

The OCD is anxiety driven and can be communicated to the horse, which can be a not so good thing. The horse can be the most awesome ANTI-anxiety drug ever invented, if you let it. The idea is to relax and let the horse work her magic. I find when I've had a stressful day, if I just go lean up against a horse and inhale the smell of horse, breathe deep and let it out and listen to them breathe and sigh when they do, pretty soon my nerves quit screaming. They're really pretty amazing animals. I NEVER try to ride or work with them if I'm all stressed, ****ed or irritated about something. I wait until they calm me down. If that takes long enough that it's too late to work or ride, it's ok, we still accomplished a GOOD thing.

I have learned to just BE sometimes when I'm around the horses, instead of always having a goal oriented checklist and feeling like I failed when I didn't accomplish what was on the list for the day. I've learned that if I only get a 1% improvement of something, even if it's only MY mood, then that's enough for today.

When you are always goal oriented and task driven, you miss the magic of the horse and other animals and all that can do for you. This'll seem silly to just about everyone here but..who cares. Today I went out to find a blanket liner for one of my horses whose blanket hasn't arrived yet. I got outside to find that my entire flock of guinea hens, that's been gone for WEEKS, had returned. They came running and I just had to stand and listen to them and look at them and just rejoice in their return. Then I stopped and hand fed them for a while. Then I went and found my blanket liner that would fit the horse. It made me run a little behind, but I was happy the rest of the day. Still am, actually. Stop and smell the roses, as trite as that sounds.

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Well that was dissapointing. I just left the barn. The herd was still eating and because its -11C right now (its cold!!!) i left my mare eating.

Had a feeling i should have stayed in. I was surprised, i even came half hour later than i did two days ago.

Oh well.
On the really cold nights i might have to come at 730pm or later. That would suck since i go to bed 930. :(
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Your BO may have thrown more hay since it is cold! If he did you are dang lucky to have him as a BO!

Hoofpic, I truly like reading your posts, your wanting to learn, your wanting to do your best for your mare, your willingness to take direction without becoming ****y, your 'try'.

The one thing you need to add to all those good qualities I just listed that you have is, relax, live in the now.

You will enjoy your barn/horse time more, you will learn to spot and appreciate your mare's try, and she will respond differently towards you.

Keep on trucking dude, just put it on cruise control and enjoy the ride!
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Like the others have said, work on #1 until she gets it, however long it takes. I gave you number 2 because you're a linear thinker, but I forgot to say not to move on to that one before #1 is fully ingrained in her. I forgot that you also tend to try to run before you walk. It's ok, they gave you the right answers and got you headed the right direction.

So, my 3 key points that are the most important for you to get are:

#1. Relax,don't try so hard - someone else mentioned the pawing as an anxiety mechanism for the horse. It can be anxiety or she can be asking a question. I'm not there, I can't tell you which one it is, but if you are feeling anxious, my money is on anxiety.

#2. Be calm, patient and repetitious without going overboard into being OCD, that's the best way they learn

#3. Do everything in small steps and in progression. Be consistent.
Ok thanks.

I didnt know horses at times paw in asking a question to you? Totally didnt know this. I thought pawing is simply impatience and wanting to move on.
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Horses are always more defensive of their back ends and hind feet. That frequently where a mountain lion will jump them and latch on to them. If they don't have their hind feet free, they can't kick. It's a survival thing. It can also be a "Does he realllllly mean it" thing too. Just keep making her give it to you. If she gets kind of stubborn about it, don't be afraid to tap her with the crop on her butt, hard enough to make it sting. Just be ready for the kick and stay out of the way. Then whack her again for kicking. That will be a sign that you need more work on desensitizing her back end. If it comes to that, I'll tell you how I do it with the foals, so you don't get clobbered.
You think I need to desenstize her more on her HQ?

I know when I used the stick and string, she was more sensitive when the string would get wrapped around her front legs.

For her back legs, I almost always have to lean into her to get her to pick up and even then a lot of times she lifts a little, then I have to lift the rest.
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I can tell you're a bit ADD or hard to focus. Seems like you may have a bit of OCD going there too. The ADD isn't a bad thing with horses, you kind of think like they do......SQUIRREL......and they're off on another path.
Whats Squirrel?

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The OCD is anxiety driven and can be communicated to the horse, which can be a not so good thing. The horse can be the most awesome ANTI-anxiety drug ever invented, if you let it. The idea is to relax and let the horse work her magic. I find when I've had a stressful day, if I just go lean up against a horse and inhale the smell of horse, breathe deep and let it out and listen to them breathe and sigh when they do, pretty soon my nerves quit screaming. They're really pretty amazing animals. I NEVER try to ride or work with them if I'm all stressed, ****ed or irritated about something. I wait until they calm me down. If that takes long enough that it's too late to work or ride, it's ok, we still accomplished a GOOD thing.

I have learned to just BE sometimes when I'm around the horses, instead of always having a goal oriented checklist and feeling like I failed when I didn't accomplish what was on the list for the day. I've learned that if I only get a 1% improvement of something, even if it's only MY mood, then that's enough for today.

When you are always goal oriented and task driven, you miss the magic of the horse and other animals and all that can do for you. This'll seem silly to just about everyone here but..who cares. Today I went out to find a blanket liner for one of my horses whose blanket hasn't arrived yet. I got outside to find that my entire flock of guinea hens, that's been gone for WEEKS, had returned. They came running and I just had to stand and listen to them and look at them and just rejoice in their return. Then I stopped and hand fed them for a while. Then I went and found my blanket liner that would fit the horse. It made me run a little behind, but I was happy the rest of the day. Still am, actually. Stop and smell the roses, as trite as that sounds.
I never want to come across as anxious, if anything I feel Im more optimistic, excited. I know a couple nights ago when I brought my mare into the barn and got her to pick up her feet, I was excited.

But you are right though, sometimes I need to go to the barn without a checklist of stuff to do. Of course it was easier said than done when she was alone in her own pasture paddock and now that shes in a herd of 4, its a lot more difficult. I cant just go hang out with her in the field lol and I already put my fold up chair away in the house for the winter season.

I enjoy listening to them. When I was out tonight (I was only there for 10mins), I was out in the field with the herd because I was wanting to catch y mare, but they were all still eating (and from what i saw, still quite a bit of hay left), so I let her eat. I just stood along the gate and listened to the other horses munch and breathe in that -10C chilly cold breeze.

I find it fascinating observing horses at night when its dark out. Theyre a lot mellower in the dark than they are in the day. Obviously at night time, they are in predator watch mode where some horses will sleep while the others stand guard. As crazy as this sounds, if I could spend a whole night outside with the herd just observing what they do throughout the middle of the night I totally would, but i know this wont be happening haha.

My favourtie thing is watching or listening to a horse stand and take a nap and sometimes you hear them snoring haha.
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Your BO may have thrown more hay since it is cold! If he did you are dang lucky to have him as a BO!
Yes he did, he has been for the past month (couple weeks especially) cause temps have really dropped. He always throws out extra hay when its cold. I fully trust his judgement - generally the colder it gets at night, the more he throws out.

He feeds at 4pm now for the winter, but if hes throwing out quite a bit more hay, (normally horses would eat for 2hours), I cant show up until at least 7-7:30pm. Tonight I showed up at 6:30 and they were still eating.

The last thing I want is to be sitting in my car wasting gas, trying to keep warm in -20 weather. Thats what happened tonight, I was out in the field with the herd for about 10mins hanging at the gate while they were eating. I thought maybe i could wait it out for my mare to finish but it was getting way too cold (even with me all bundled up in layers). So I had to leave.

I have to admit, this is going to be a bit tricky for me because I go to bed at 930pm during the work week (I get up at 5:20am). So when I go see her during the work week, I might have to wait until 730pm to show up there. Thatll suck.

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Hoofpic, I truly like reading your posts, your wanting to learn, your wanting to do your best for your mare, your willingness to take direction without becoming ****y, your 'try'.
Thanks, Im trying my best. Im doing it all for my mare and want her to live the happiest life she can possibly have.

I want to see myself do well in accomplish being able to give her everything she needs and have us communicate to the highest level because of my passion for horses. Like I said, I wake up every morning and shes the first thing on my mind. She is always on my mind 24/7. I am always thinking of her. I get so excited just looking forward to seeing her next.

I cant explain it but she brings a smile to my face each time seeing her. She already has a special place in my heart. Sorry is that attaching human emotion? But these are my thoughts, not hers and I know she could care less about how often I see her, me seeing her etc. I know that if I was to go a month or even a week of not seeing her and she wouldnt miss me and thats because she doesnt have human emotion.


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The one thing you need to add to all those good qualities I just listed that you have is, relax, live in the now.

You will enjoy your barn/horse time more, you will learn to spot and appreciate your mare's try, and she will respond differently towards you.
Well right now Im taking things day by day, each time I see her. Would you consider that to be living in the now?

Can you give me an example of how to live in the now?

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Keep on trucking dude, just put it on cruise control and enjoy the ride!
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Whats Squirrel?



I never want to come across as anxious, if anything I feel Im more optimistic, excited. I know a couple nights ago when I brought my mare into the barn and got her to pick up her feet, I was excited.

But you are right though, sometimes I need to go to the barn without a checklist of stuff to do. Of course it was easier said than done when she was alone in her own pasture paddock and now that shes in a herd of 4, its a lot more difficult. I cant just go hang out with her in the field lol and I already put my fold up chair away in the house for the winter season.

I enjoy listening to them. When I was out tonight (I was only there for 10mins), I was out in the field with the herd because I was wanting to catch y mare, but they were all still eating (and from what i saw, still quite a bit of hay left), so I let her eat. I just stood along the gate and listened to the other horses munch and breathe in that -10C chilly cold breeze.

I find it fascinating observing horses at night when its dark out. Theyre a lot mellower in the dark than they are in the day. Obviously at night time, they are in predator watch mode where some horses will sleep while the others stand guard. As crazy as this sounds, if I could spend a whole night outside with the herd just observing what they do throughout the middle of the night I totally would, but i know this wont be happening haha.

My favourtie thing is watching or listening to a horse stand and take a nap and sometimes you hear them snoring haha.
LOL! Squirrel or Sparkly or Butterfly is just a silly way of talking about how distractable ADHD folks can be. It's a running joke between me and my DH about how quickly I can be distracted from my train of thought. I'll be going along fine, talking about something with him and VOOOOOM there I go, distracted in mid-sentence on to something else. When I feel myself getting like that, I'll look at him and just say, "Squirrel or Sparkly(as in jewelry)", in other words I just saw an imaginary squirrel and got distracted.

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Can you give me an example of how to live in the now?


Today I went out to find a blanket liner for one of my horses whose blanket hasn't arrived yet. I got outside to find that my entire flock of guinea hens, that's been gone for WEEKS, had returned. They came running and I just had to stand and listen to them and look at them and just rejoice in their return. Then I stopped and hand fed them for a while.

This is living in the now as opposed to being distracted. I didn't just lose my train of thought of finding a blanket liner. I made a conscious decision to stop and celebrate the return of my guineas, in the now or in the moment rather than continuing on to find the blanket liner (and tick it off on my list of To Dos) and thinking that I'd put of celebrating the birds until I got done. Had I done that, the birds (who are the epitome of ADHD, especially guineas) may have found a reason to leave.

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Does your BO feed a round bale to the pasture horses? Because if he does, it's fun, mostly warm and pretty dry if you can crawl up into the bale and just sit or lay in the big pile of hay and listen to the horses munch, that's one of my favorite things to do. Especially in winter, if we get a sunny day, even if it's below freezing, I put on my warm clothes and go snuggle down in the hay and let the sun shine on me and I listen to the munching and the breathing. It's such a contented sound! I've even fallen asleep in the hay bale and wakened to find everyone but Patti standing guard. She's usually laid down close to me while I nap in the bale.

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